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Topic Dog Boards / General / Amazing
- By LJS Date 11.08.07 15:48 UTC
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Htb9__nWE9o

Can't see that her hips will stay sound for very long walking in that position

Lucy
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- By perrodeagua [gb] Date 11.08.07 16:17 UTC
Seen this before and it annoys me about the movie stardom bit etc.  I don't feel that she'll live a long life and it must be doing something to those back legs. 
- By Brainless [gb] Date 11.08.07 17:02 UTC
I think it sad that the breeder didn't have her put to sleep at birth.
- By Rach85 [gb] Date 12.08.07 09:46 UTC
I couldnt watch it all. Strange, really mixed feelings on this one.
- By lumphy [gb] Date 12.08.07 10:23 UTC
i to have mixed feelings about this. It goes against everything I believe in as a breeder. Ihave seen it before on a rescue forum and everyone posted how fantastic the dog was and how the people were great rescuing her. Not one person suggested it should of been PTS.

Wonder who is right

Wendy
- By Rach85 [gb] Date 12.08.07 10:48 UTC
The problem is how can you tell the dog is unhappy enough and doesnt have a good enough quality of life to warrant being justifidly PTS?
He looks very happy and is managing fine, showing no signs of stress or anything like that, he just thinks that was how he was meant to be and thats how he always will be. He doesnt know he is missing 2 legs does he?

I think he will suffer obviously with arthritis or something similiar later on in life but if he's happy then he should be allowed to live life. Still couldnt watch the clip though all the way through, so still mixed feelings.
- By Isabel Date 12.08.07 10:54 UTC
It looks a great effort to get around to me, the dog is always panting.  I know it is a hot state but that seems an even greater arguement to prevent suffering like this.  I saw another video of a news report following the dog being lost for a few hours when put on the wrong flight (the owner appears to travel the states with it).  She looked desperate to lay down and the owner was encouraging her to keep moving infront of the cameras.  In other photos and videos the owner appears to carry her a lot.  I would question the quality of this dogs life.
- By ChristineW Date 12.08.07 10:57 UTC
My dog is always panting and he's got 4 legs!!!  ;)  

*Gets on my blooming nerves*
- By Isabel Date 12.08.07 10:59 UTC
Found the video
- By Brainless [gb] Date 12.08.07 13:15 UTC
Well that brought tears to my eyes, the preson who bred her ought to be had up for cruelty.
- By Rach85 [gb] Date 12.08.07 11:02 UTC
That is true theres no need to parade him around in front of the camera but he showns no signs of stress etc and to out a dog to sleep for a deformity that he's living and coping well with is not right.
If he was clearly strugggling and gasping for breath and looking miserable then yet PTS but otherwise I wouldnt see the need for it.
- By Isabel Date 12.08.07 11:12 UTC
Well that's were we have to agree to differ then.  It is not the parading in front of cameras that I find immoral, that should not bother any healthy well adjusted dog, it is the continuation of a severly disabled life that I consider inappropriate.  Personally, I think she is struggling and I don't think, from what you can tell from such distorted body language, that she does look happy.  I am sure she does have times of happiness, when she is left to rest for instance, but I think her life in general looks far too difficult for any dog to have to suffer.
- By Rach85 [gb] Date 12.08.07 11:16 UTC
agree to agree to disagree it is then! :)
- By zarah Date 12.08.07 11:48 UTC
I first saw a video of Faith a while ago now and thought that she seemed happy enough and that she didn't appear to be struggling. That airport video is a bit too much though - the dog appeared to make several attempts to lie down and the owner just kept going :mad:

But how about this: no right legs!
- By Isabel Date 12.08.07 12:10 UTC
Now he looks a lot more capable of enjoying life.  It still seems a major step to predict he would manage that well when considering a double amputation though doesn't it.  I don't think I would have risked it.  A lot for the dog to go through if it had failed.
- By zarah Date 12.08.07 12:18 UTC
Yes it does, and I was quite surprised that the option would even have been given. I can't see a big deep chested breed coping with that - I think he is probably lucky to be a greyhound :D
- By Brainless [gb] Date 12.08.07 13:23 UTC
I think the Greyhounds great musculature and lighter narrower body properties helps here as if he were say a heavy broad bodied breed he wouldn't have coped.
- By Rach85 [gb] Date 12.08.07 12:12 UTC
I havent seen the first video but im not going to watch the 2nd as I dont generally like to watch videos off Utube, promotes some pretty messed up things including 'bizarre' animals.
I still have mixed feelings and still think that the dog shouldnt be PTS  at this later stage after surviving this long its the lady whos making life hard for the dog, the dog copes fine without her around it would seem.
- By zarah Date 12.08.07 12:22 UTC

>its the lady whos making life hard for the dog


Well I'll agree with that :D She certainly doesn't appear to be doing it any favours.

Watch the greyhound one I posted above though (it's a happy one I promise!) - he definitely seems just as able as a 4 legged, quite a contrast to the Faith ones.
- By Brainless [gb] Date 12.08.07 13:18 UTC
Now this is totally different the dog has better ability to balance, and this happened to him as an adult and if he hadn't coped I am sure he would have been put to sleep, but the other case the pup should never have been reared.
- By Brainless [gb] Date 12.08.07 13:12 UTC
He should have been PTS at birth and then the question wouldn't arise.
- By JaneG [gb] Date 12.08.07 10:28 UTC
I think she should have been pts as a pup, or put to sleep as a rescue - or pts now. The great thing about euthanasia is that dogs don't know anything about it. No one can possibly say that they know for sure the animal is happy and not suffering. Dogs are so accepting, and will make the most of any situation - doesn't mean we should put them through it.
- By Rach85 [gb] Date 12.08.07 10:51 UTC
But since he hasnt been PTS he seems happy enough, how could you PTS  a healthy sound in mind dog, I would feel terrible for it for the rest of my life for putting a well balanced dog to sleep just for a deformity hes coping well with.
- By Jeangenie [gb] Date 12.08.07 11:41 UTC
It's natural for a bitch to squat to wee, and to crouch to poo. They do it instinctively. How does this poor animal manage in this regard? Any animal that requires help to do the most basic functions, such as stand up from a lying-down position, is not healthy.
- By Rach85 [gb] Date 12.08.07 12:13 UTC
Good points Jeangenie, but the dog is healthy in mind just not what we would class as healthy in body, as her coat looks good etc so she is healthy technically.
- By Jeangenie [gb] Date 12.08.07 12:16 UTC
There are people, even on here, who don't consider that a diabetic or epileptic animal is 'healthy', but with the correct medication they can lead totally normal lives. Not being able to stand up unassisted can't possibly be 'healthy'.
- By Nikita [gb] Date 12.08.07 12:40 UTC
I would worry not only about that, and arthritis in her hips, but possible degradation/arthritis in her spine as well - she's not a big dog, but her lumber area is still taking a lot more strain than 4 or even 3 legged dogs, or even Dominic the two left-legged greyhound.  One of my family's friends has a lab who had spinal arthritis for some time, and he was in incredible pain - and his spine wasn't having to cope with supporting the entire front half of his body on top of it.
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