This episode looks funny they goto bed early to get away from the dog!!!

I used to do that to get away from the kids :D :D

it cracked me up but what a cute bully.  the narrator said that bull terriers are one of the most common breeds in the UK which totally surprised me as I know hardly any but maybe he was getting mixed up with staffys.

i really wasnt taken with the idea of strapping a unfit BT to a bike & making it run

Why do people get dogs and then not walk them because they pull too much  Common sense would tell you that a well exercised dog is a better behaved dog.
And that poor little girl.
Glad to see that Chaos had improved at the end. 

I think the strapping onto a bike is so the dog gets into the 'WALK' mode and not the sniffing everything ignoring her commands mode! Works most of the time, but she is really good with dogs and I watch every show!
My boyfriend likes it as well, but think hes only watching it for Victoria! :rolleyes:

Rach85 if he saw her in real life he wouldn't be that impressed, she's painfully thin!!

Not necessarily true when it comes to pulling - before I started clicker training her not to pull, Soli would pull like a steam train no matter how much exercise she got!

But in other areas I do agree with you :) especially having known a young GSD that was sent away for 5 weeks to be retrained due to bad behaviour - caused by being stuck in a kennel and run 5 days out of 7 :rolleyes: he only improved when he was given adequate exercise.

ETA:  Not impressed with the bike either, I wouldn't harness up any dog for something like that without building up its fitness first, especially if it wasn't getting sufficient exercise to start with.

I enjoyed that episode, i think it is a shame though that the show is only 30 minutes long and with the silly add on 'dog intelligence test' part made the training info in it even shorter.

If you would like a greater insight into the show this series there is a weekly thread about each episode on Victoria's website forum and she does pop in from time to time and post.

Next installment is tonight at 8.30. "Demonic Dobermann" apparently - should be interesting!

They've changed the episode to 2 greyhounds now...wonder why

hmmmm oh those greyhounds are norty :D :D

I wondered what was going on, this is the second post I've seen about the greys.  I'm secretly pleased - I'd completely forgotten it was on and I really want to see the dobe! :D

on these shows why don't they just direct the people to a good local training class? They never seem to mention the facilities are already set up to solve all these silly issues through using local clubs and trainers .  or do they? I don't tend to watch that  kind of stuff.   I'd prefer a show where they showed people how to find the solutions locally and then followed them through their progress .  This hey look I neglected my dog can I be on TV stuff is just rewarding bad dog owners .

There is so much great stuff going on with dogs, therapy dogs, agility, search and rescue, etc, etc, etc so many great fun shows could be made encouraging so much more of a  positive spirit about dogs in our society.

I think the reason they don't promote the national training schemes and local classes is that the 'star' would lose customers. :rolleyes:

>This hey look I neglected my dog can I be on TV stuff is just rewarding bad dog owners .

I couldn't agree more. That's one of the reasons I don't watch - I know the lack of one viewer is hardly going to make a difference, but it's a protest!

Me too.

I think the reason they don't promote the national training schemes and local classes is that the 'star' would lose customers. rolleyes

I dont think thats the case with IMOTD, since Victoria lives in America...

These programs are made to a format that the company who make them like, in the case of IMOTD that is Ricochet - the trainers can be wonderful or rubbish (see Dog Borstal!!!!), but whatever they are they can only do what the production company want, unfortunately for whatever reason there doesnt appear to be a market for shows where people are told to go to a local training class, quite probably because the logistics in filming that would be a nightmare and many trainers DONT want to be on the tv.

Id love to see hour long shows on dog training and behaviour every night, without the background work being cut out, without the things that the producer clearly thinks are boring, such as owners being told its not wise to get litter mate bitches together..... etc etc.

As i said before if you want to know anything about IMOTD, you can ask on victorias forum, she does go and post there and respond to peoples questions.

I dont think thats the case with IMOTD, since Victoria lives in America...

And compared to the average trainers there, think Cesar Millan and people even worse, she is bound to do a lot of good as at least she doesn't advocate choke chains and electric shock collars etc.

Dogs with Dunbar was an excellent program.

Oh I loved that programme ! it was brilliant wasn't it!

I look at it another way. So many people don't train their dogs and for some reason it never occurs to them all that bad behaviour could be corrected with training. I get people asking if my dogs are in training to be guide dogs simply because I walk them to heel when we pass people.

So if 5% of the numpties who think dogs come with good behaviour installed watch the show and are motivated to seek out a local training club to teach their own dog some basic manners, then I figure that's quite a few dogs that might stay out of rescue. As much as we'd like GP to be informed and intelligent about dog behaviour they aren't. Anything in popular culture that can make them aware of the issue can't be all bad.
all these positive thoughts and I haven't even been at the Pimms :-D

A lot of people are far too lazy to bother with going to classes......

do they actually  tell the public about training class as a very cheap readily avbailable  option or do they make the public want to get on TV so their dog can get sorted?

Most clubs are about £2 an hour and most have trainers who do some one to one advice totally free. I was amazed how cheap these dog clubs are. Agility for £2.50! Dog training is amazingly good  value for such a fun activity to do with the dog and way to meet other people.

I look at it another way. So many people don't train their dogs and for some reason it never occurs to them all that bad behaviour could be corrected with training. I get people asking if my dogs are in training to be guide dogs simply because I walk them to heel when we pass people.

That's a good point indeed. I'll never forget the GSD owners who came to one of the classes I go to, with a totally unruly young dog, about 6 months old. They came because they'd just read a book where it mentioned dogs have to be trained -they'd had no idea before this that you had to do anything!

Is it just me...or....does anyone e-l-s-e...get r-e-a-l-l-y......
*Pause to stare at camera*
t-i-r-e-d of 'Penelope Pitstop's' insistance in talking to camera like we are a)Numpties
                                                                                                    b)Hard of hearing and lip reading (badly)
                                                                                                    c)2 years old
                                                                                                    d) All of the above

*Mock look of horror..whilst addressing the wing mirror of my little red Sports car*
                        :rolleyes: :D

Wish Turid Rugaas would do TV, Her DVD's great and I could listen to her for hours :)

Yeah, I know what you mean HG.  Saw her at Crufts this year and it was all about the camera and no the dogs next to her.  I was shocked at how TINY she was.

She's not actually that bad.
Although I look like 10ft wide compared to her, I obviously eat way too much :D .

Actually alot of it is the TV image that one has to portray etc ;)

For my sins I actually have helped out on one 'episode' yet to be screened.
The part in which my dogs played was over two different filming days
over a few weeks in between.
They were actually at pains to make sure that I didn't wear the same clothes
from filming day 1.

They do actually try and find decent clubs for people to keep training their dogs.

It's just that some clubs as soon as they find out that you've taken part in the programme
or are taking part aren't interested in helping out..some can be quite rude.
Going on the people's experience who's dog was the 'star' of the programme.

The film crew are lovely - my Abs bullseyed one of them right where it hurts :D
Brought water to his eyes but he still fussed over her.

The only problem is the constraints of the time slots allowed.
Our filming took a few hours over each day, but you can be sure that it will only be on screen for a few minutes.

I saw her at Crufts and there was nothing of her!  She was stood right next to me, she didn't take a look at my dogs, though I wasn't bovered!  I'm not exactly fat but I definitely looked it next to her :d

I just find "me, me, me, it's all about me" incredibly irritating, and have only watched one.

> Is it just me...or....does anyone e-l-s-e...get r-e-a-l-l-y......

*Pause to stare at camera*
t-i-r-e-d of 'Penelope Pitstop's' insistance in talking to camera like we are

Yep, I know it's probably just done as choreographing for the TV programme, but it drives me MAD!

Still...at least she tends to tell owners when they're expecting things from the dog that it can't possibly understand, and uses positive methods mostly.

Where do you get thos Turid Rugaas DVDs HG, and what sort of stuff do they have on them? I read some stuff about calming signals by her (didn't realise it was a her, thought it sounded like a man's name, oops :D ) and thought it was brilliant, I want more!! :D

I like both Ceasar Millan and Victoria's programmes, but she reminds me of Miss Whiplash.

I usually miss it as don't watch much tv but the odd occasion it has been on Jasper sits to attention and does everything she says

I prefer Victoria to CM, sorry but I don't agree with his methods one bit!

Same here, CM 's methods are awful.

Yep, ok Victorias 'talk to camera' thing might not be to your taste, but she doesnt go around using prong collars, e collars or pinning terrified dogs to the floor, and she certainly doesnt advise Joe Public to do that either. CMs advice is wrong and dangerous.

Never seen CM and from what I hear I don't want to, I think Victoria is entertaining and so are her 'show guests'!

If you go on another UK dogsite there are people on there who say e-collars are the best thing since sliced bread and those of us who are totally against it are mad

Perrodeagua, I think I may have wandered on that site too....and yes, they are all for this type of thing, together with prong collers. Straying slightly, they are for losing our pedigree breeds by crossing breeds, as they say the pedigree dogs are to interbred and full of health probs and crossing breeds will solve this :( Shows that some sites are really not safe for advice, because some will believe the advice given no matter how wrong or misguided.

So once the breeds are gone what are they going to Cross breed with.  Oh yes they will all be mongrels, so no fancy labels and price tags.  Why not just go to the dogs home.

> Never seen CM and from what I hear I don't want to

You're right, you don't. I've seen it and the bits I can remember included him 'fencing in' a "dominant" dog and chasing it round the side of a swimming pool until it was terrified, and lifting a small dog (can't think what sort) and shoving its bum in a large dogs face as 'it is natural for them to sniff each other'. :rolleyes: There was something else he did that made me so angry and upset I had to walk out of the room, and obviously so angry and upset that I have blanked it out of my mind.... Needless to say I now DON'T watch it.

Terry,

Two DVD's by Turrid Rugaas:
(you can get VHS too)
1) On talking terms with dogs:calming signals (make sure you get new 2nd edition)
2)Calming signals:What your dog tells you.

have a looksee on Amazon as you can get 2nd hand ones cheaper.. makes me Homesick watching, some lovely shots taken at Turrid's Farm (up in the Fjords) with her dogs and clients.
Highly recommend them.

Is that the universal 'you' Theemx???
Good grief.. Its quite acceptable to have a little light hearted mickey take especially when someone puts them selves up as a TV 'Personna' (come on...the sports car jhodpurs and black boots... oh and dont forget red lippy!! I always go out with my dogs with my scarlet lippy on dont you ;) :P) Im quite aware she doesnt advocate punishment and archaic abhorrent methods... no one suggested other wise Dont understand why you drew the comparison noone else did.
 
 

Generic 'you'... makes me a bit cringey too!

My point is though, it might not be to everyones taste but at least there is someone out there handing out decent dog training advice, since there is so much questionable and downright dangerous advice out there.

ah no.. Dont get me wrong your right on that of course!
I was just having a poke fun at the fact that everything seems to have be 'sexed up' on TV now :( I'm not a great lover of the false time frames too.. I worry that the oblivious masses will think they should be getting results in minutes and not sticking at training and being consistent... the editing sometimes makes it appear an instant miracle turn around in behaviour.
  But there's no denying getting modern training ethos out there and debunking dominance theories and archaic methods is  of course a good thing!
I know I harp on about TR (I just miss Norway!) but we all know there are some cracking Trainers in this country at the moment and so I think its a shame air time comes down to 'personality (pr looks?? ;) ) and not skill and experience (per se!)
Hope that makes sense? :D

*Claps Hand on head*
Im always the last to know!! Sorry Em.. Ive just been tipped off! I didnt know you were a Moderator on Victoria's own Forum, that explains it! ROFL.. me and my Big size 6's :D (that will teach me to actually read links when people put them up, you have mentioned the forum!) Doh!

lol your having a laugh!!! :D :D :D we have a mod here who is on VS forum oh well that debate ceased :D

ROFL....... shhhhhhhh everyone will want one, or something!

Hey, say what you like, as long as its not libellous lol (and similarly, thats not my problem either), i didnt totally agree with some of her methods in the first two series, but shes upped her game now and within the confines of her show, silly time frames and a mere 26 or so minutes of air time, shes doing quite well.

Sad that Joe Public wouldnt watch if she wasnt clad in leather and driving a sexy car, but shes got a fair bit more appeal for us all than good ole Barbara Woodhouse had, you have to admit!

If I had my way there would be an hour of dog training on tv every night, Turid Rugaas, Karen Pryor, bring back John Fisher, ..... theres too many to mention but id be glued...

As it is most poeple with TVs wouldnt agree, so, we have Victoria and shes doin the best job she can i reckon, im just jealous id never fit into those tight slinky little fings she wears! ROFL.

I really like her. I think she's sensible, has good methods and is very straightforward.

What I don't like is when she appears to be saving the marriage as the main part with the dog training coming second - if that makes sense. I don't want to watch her rebuilding folks relationships.

I have only seen part of 3 of cm programmes.

bring back john fisher ...now, that would get complaints!