Hello,
I need someone to help me see sense, i've been offered a dog, a ckc hes just turned 6, but hes used to living outside in kennels, they say he does come in the house sometimes, but i think they are just saying that.  So the question is would he be clean in the house? i don't think they even walk him or take him out so i really feel sorry for him, i just don't know what to do, my head and common sense so no be so silly it will never work, but my heart says .......... poor chappy give him a loving home that he deserves! I also have children so i'm not sure how he would react to them, advice? help me see sense!

The first thing I'd do is make sure he is good with your children and if not then don't do it.
If he is, the next thing I'd want to know is how well he gets along with any other dogs in the house.

If he passes the 2 above tests, then I would take him, and I imagine you would have to start house training from the basics, he is probably clean but you never know.  Now I don't use crates but I know lots of people do, and this could help with house training and keeping him safe when you are not around.  As he has been used to being in kennels outside he will probably accept a crate straight away.

Maria :)

Aw poor thing. Being a Cavalier I'd imagine he will get on fine with anybody of any species (so to me having one kenneled seems unfair, they are so people orientated, aren't they), but you may want to check out what his heart is like at 6 so you don't get landed with a lot of extra vet's bills immediately that you hadn't counted on.He probably wouldn't be clean in the house but if you treat him like you would a pup he should be able to learn. :)

If you took him you'd need to make sure he was okay with your existing dogs and your children. Can you all meet up somewhere? How are your dogs about allowing another dogs into 'their' house?  Some dogs are perfectly friendly with other dogs on neutral territory but won't tolerate them in the home. If they get on okay you have several options. You could build a kennel for him if you didn't trust him in the house. If he's a kennel dog then he's unlikely to be housetrained, but that's not an insurmountable problem - adult dogs can be housetrained using the same basic routine as you'd use with a puppy. Is he castrated or entire?

he is entire, so i'm guessing he would want to mark his torritary, we haven't the room to build a kennel, (taken up with rabbit hutches as i have too giants, I already have 3 ckc but i thought four would be an even number lol esp as the love there own, it makes me laugh the way the lie on top of each other, the thing is i really feel sorry him, I am going to ask if he has any contact with children then go from there. 

I'm glad that you won't be putting him in a kennel anyway, I personally don't like Cav's in a kennel, they are an extremely friendly, loving breed, hopefully he has not been badly treated or is badly bred as a breed he should love children, dogs, well everyone, Cav's are like that. :-)

You will  just have to train him as a pup, he will soon learn to toilet outside and will take to living indoors like a duck to water and having other Cav's as his tutors will make his learning so much quicker, he will very soon follow them with regards to where to toilet etc.

Your other Cav's should accept him no problems and they are only small dogs so one more won't make a lot of difference, it would be great for this dog to have other friends and family, and bless to be indoors.

I say if your heart is in it go and rescue him and give him a good, loving home. :-)

I'm sure he would be happy with you and you would all love him.  I do think it would be worth getting him checked by a vet before going ahead though (based on my recent rescued CKCS with a £100 per month medication bill!)

Hope all goes well

Maxine

well i think its a no, as much as i wanted to help the little chap they have now turned around ans say they want £450 for him, i could buy a pup for that, i think they are trying it on. poor doggie

Good grief.  I guess it's clear where their interest lies then.

How ridiculous! Nobody in their right mind would pay that for a 6 year old Cavalier without show merits and unknown health status!

I wouldn't pay that for a 6 year old one even WITH show merits!!

I am glad you said that as i was seriourly starting to wounder, they are just trying to make a quick buck and its easy to be blinded when you feel sorry for something.  Well you can't save um all, you never know they may change their mind I just feel like i've wasted my time, at first they said he was 4, then they relised when they looked as his ped that he was 6, i know the age of my dogs to the month (not quite the day), and 2 years is a big gap, they also emailed me a pic and said he was out of coat so he didn't look his best, it just goes on, i'm going to have to be strong and walk away as i don't want them to have the satisfaction, all also gather that they have used him as a stud dog, so i'm guessing they have more! So sad, it kept running through my head last night as i was half asleep, you know how things do lol, it just makes me so mad! the check of it.

Why don't you ask them if he has a current clear heart certificate as you are well aware of the fact that 50 % of all Cavaliers aged 5 have developed a heart murmur, and also ask if either he or his parents have been MRI scanned for Syringomyelia as you are worried about vet's bills appearing, could suddenly change their mind when the answer to everything is no, who knows........ ;)

They may well come back to you when they realise they can't sell him. :rolleyes: Not many people want an unhousetrained 6 yr old dog as a pet. If he's been kept for the sole purpose of a stud dog and kept kenneled the poor thing may never have mixed with anyone cept to produce puppies. Sad they can't even be bothered to find him a nice home, i think he's earned it in more ways than one!

I have just read this thread and feel so sad for this poor little thing.

Would the RSPCA do anything as this sounds very cruel.  We leave Breeze out during the day when I know that its not going to be heavy rain etc, but as she has a walk twice a day.

If this were me I would reprot them just so my voice has been heard.

I'm sure the rspca woudn't do much as hes not beeing abused in the sense that he is feed and watered, the guys just sent me some more pics and i feel really bad, i could hope in the car and be there with in a hour and bring him home, he bred him himself, hes been in kennels since a pup, i've just seen where he lives and its really grim, just a wooden hut thing with a bed, and i'm sure i can see poo in the kennel next door and his bowl looks really dirty this is really upsetting and the oh doesn't help i just showed him and he said so you want to give him a good home, hes not used to kids either so i would be taking a big risk also hes been used as a stud so would he not be harder to house train? help me someone!!! I feel sick to the stomach after seeing those pics.  And what about the £450 price tag too

Trying to be a voice of reason here - you cant help every dog that you feel sorry for.  If you  paid out £450 for this one what happens when you see another one and another and another...........

I think this person is trying it on getting the money for him but we all know he wont get it so at some point he is going to have to give him up - if only so he doesnt have the expense of looking after him.

Try being convincing and saying that there is no way you can buy this dog you dont have the money - however - if he needs to rehome him at any time due to his own expenses etc etc you would be more than happy to help out.

I think he is sensing your love of Cavs - believes that if he puts the emotional blackmail on enough then you'll come up with the money somewhere - maybe if you can convince him that isnt going to happen he'll change tactics.

Dont let this puppy farmer get away with this - they rely on kind hearted soles to carry out there business - dont be drawn in...

Hope this helps

Maxine

Hi,
well I know you are right, hes sent me three lots op pics over the space of 6 days, I have told him due to the age of the dog health etc, the fact I would be taking a risk with him being used to kennels and the work that I would need to put in, the poor dogs never even been for a walk! that £450 is unrealistic and i couldn't pay that for him (just to line his pockets) so i doubt i will hear from him again, at least there is some reasurance that hes selling his dogs to move i just hope he won't breed again, as if the market wasn't flooded enough with poorly bred dogs.

I'm with Maxine. My feeling is by not saving one dog, and therefore not rewarding a puppy farmer for mistreating animals and churning out puppies for money, I will end up saving possibly hundreds. If no one gave these people money they would stop. It's harsh for the current dogs but so many more will continue to suffer at their hands if we reward them for their actions.

Its a hard decision, but try not to let your heart run away with you, as if you rush in and things go wrong the poor thing will have to be rehomed, and thats horrible for any dog.
If he hgets on with your kids like everyone else has said and he fits in woith youyr schedule and he wont be left alone for ages, then i would say if the signs are good go for it!
but please be careful as we have enough dogs in homes already due to people rushing in! :(
but good luck if you do take him, im sure he'll be thrilled to be living indoors with people and having some love, will change his life for the better, and you may have to train him a little but he should be ok if your persitant!