....because I had my pups out in the garden to play

Pups shouldn't be let outside at all. They should be kept in their pen (or in her case the shed :(  ) until they are old enough to go to their new homes :rolleyes: Thankfully she doesn't have a dog any more but it all stems from when she did breed and a litter was let out and got distemper. Neither her or her son will allow the pups out for some fresh air :( Poor things. I tried to talk to her about it but she is one of those people who knows best so I just walked away. I can't think of a time when I wouldn't let my pups outside. Surely it's all part and parcel of growing up?

She did have a bad experiance though...

I know a couple of breeders who won't touch a puppy or the mother after they have been to a show untill they have showerd and changed clothes.  both breeders lost a litter once and are so careful now.  Not quite as bad as not letting puppies in the garden but do people really want to risk illness to puppies?

The thing is, pups that age should have immunity from their mother for distemper. The only litter I know of which didn't were where the breeder didn't vaccinate her adult dogs.

I won't go near shows if I have a litter at home, not worth the risk IMO. I don't go as far as not letting them in the garden though don't think it is good for them being cooped up in the house.

It is all about the level of risk and so i would do the same as you. :)

I haven't been near a show since February as I am worried about infection coming in, but surely a garden that is fully enclosed, and where my dogs are the only ones that can get in there, should be safe. I do understand where she is coming from, but why have a go at me? I felt like dirt after she'd finished :( You'd think I was deliberately letting the pups come to harm :rolleyes: I've always let my pups out into the garden when the weather has been good enough. Obviously if it was chucking it down I wouldn't take them out. Too many to dry for a start ;)

The only person I know who lost some of her pups to parvo had the house so immaculate, sprayed everyone and everywhere and I'm sure that that got rid of any immunity that they might have developed naturally.  I must admit that people can't come to mine from a dog show etc. but are allowed any other time and are really just asked to wash their hands.  Oh and my friend also had all of her dogs vaccinated and boostered!

I've just been speaking to another neighbour and have come back down from my high horse. ;) I think that if the first neighbour had said something along the lines of "I don't let my pups out as I once had a litter that got Distemper..." I wouldn't have been so annoyed. But she was in my face telling me that I shouldn't have the pups outside Anyone who knows me will know that that is like a red rag to a bull. No-one tells me what to do. Advise me, yes, tell me, no way :) My other neighbours are shocked about her behaviour as they would let pups out into the garden too, so long as it was safe for them. Glad I'm not the only one :D

We let our pups out in the back garden as there are no dogs etc. able to get in there.  must admit that there have been times when I've had them in the front garden too although I must admit again dogs especially stray ones are never seen in my parents area!

I would like to know how anyone manages to rear a litter without them going in the garden.

I had complaints this year about letting pups out at 6am, but they would scream the place down if I didn't, as when they need to go they need to go, and unfortunately then they start playing etc.

I have never managed to keep puppies happy solely indoors after five weeks of age, and usually they want wider spaces by 4 weeks.

At the end of the day - it's your garden and what you do in it is totally up to you.   I had a neighbour complain about the noise my pups made in the last litter I bred.   He should be thankful it was just that, the previous owner of my house used to have all night parties in the garden!     But I have to ignore the sound of 'gentleman' type films through the walls!!!!

"  I had a neighbour complain about the noise my pups made in the last litter I bred"

This happened to me this time, and if fact the pups were really very quiet and woke comparatively late because of the time of year (February).

I was quite shocked as I do everything I can to minimise noise potential, and getting an official letter wasn't pleasant.

One of the people at the council was not a dog person and I got the impression he hadn't a clue when I explained that pups need to out, and that during worming and final weaning by Mum there might be some noise.  Though he did say as the noise would be short term it was nothing they would do anything about.

When I spoke to a lady who understood dogs in the same office she was quite reassuring.

Just wondered it this was a new policy by councils to write to people at the first hint of a moan.

Bred my first litter in 1995 and never had complaints even with louder litters.

My neighbour just came over and shouted at me about the noise (He worked nights!!!!) and that gave my next door neighbour some sort of 'courage' to do likewise.  He still complains about trivial things, like me banging the inner porch door, one of my cats running across his garden (Yes running, just that, not anything else!), me banging the car doors etc.   Odd bod.      

I think some people just love to moan ....

We had an odd bod couple living next door to us :D :D

We had a complaint that they could hear the dogs walking about in the house :D :D

I asked her if she ever got marks on the side of her face when she put the glass on her ear when it was against the wall listening to us Her face was a picture :p :p

The best one I ever had was an elderly couple living next door to us who complained that a) the tortoise was banging against his box at night and b) our FRIDGE was too loud!! LOL  They never complained about the dogs though

Debs

Just wondered it this was a new policy by councils to write to people at the first hint of a moan.

It's the law apparently. If a council receives a complaint EVEN if they themselves don't believe there is a problem, they MUST send out a letter.

Just had to join in this thread
We have a neighbour who complained last year because we didn't cut our lawn for 6 weeks (during the winter i must add!)!!

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i have the best one

my husband and myself had just pulled into our drive after a day out and our neighbour who lived next door but one came running in and proceded to tell us that our 3 dogs had been barking for the last 4 hours non stop, my husband got out to talk to him and while they were talking i walked to the back of the car and opened the boot guess what     yes out jumped my 3 dogs the same dogs that had been barking in the house for the last 4 hours i have never seen a man go so red couldnt see him for dust.
he never complained again

At my local council it's policy to send out a warning letter as soon as one complaint is registered, I know this as we received one about a 3 years ago and the really nice bloke I spoke to in the environmental health department told me when I asked how many complaints they had recieved and from how many houses in my area. Must admit was quite shocked when he said one but he just explained it was policy, not a bad thing actually because I got him to clearly explain what constituted a noise nuisance and the process they have to go through (complainents keeping diaries etc) to find you guilty.

Was also quite amusing though as the letter would have been aimed at the ex neighbours highly intelligent, extremely hyper farm bred border collie who was left in the garden alone every weekday and most of the weekend from 8:30 - 6 and could quite easily bark for up to 30 mins at a time for most of the day, who ever had complained had picked the wrong house :rolleyes:

We had one of the best complaints ever.. Our neighbour complained (when I was about 14 I think) that my pet rat was escaping nightly from his cage, going down the stairs, out of the locked front door, down the garden, up the 7ft fence, jumping a 4ft gap onto her roof, then terrorised her all night long then made the great journey all the back again, considerately closing his cage door on his way back in. He must have been a cousin of Mighty Mouse! She was seriously annoyed with little Robert and demanded we padlock his cage!! :D :D

She was a touch eccentric you'll be surprised to hear :rolleyes: And she never once moaned about the three dogs!! :D :D

....which is why we moved to a place with NO near neighbours :D - our closest neighbour lives the other side of our paddock and guess what ...she's a fellow dog exhibitor and breeder ( Portuguese Water Dogs ) ...perfick :D :D :D

Yvonne

Trish or Jane??

I know someone like this they moved in next door to another exhibitor in the same breed, they had no other neighbours except for a rescue kennels behind them.

Years later the kennels were sold to developers and now there are 20 expensive yuppy houses with moany people.

Same thing happens with a lot of new developments in small villages etc, with town folk moaning about people having cockerels that crow, dogs that bark, cows that poo on the lanes etc.

I took my puppies out into the garden to play then later a week or two before they were ready to go I took them out after thier feed to toilet my new families were delighted at the speed they were house trained !!!

Here is my odd neighbour complaint.  When we moved in their large Black Lab was allowed to run loose and was demolishing my vegetable garden.  After he became very aggressive with me one night when I met him on the narrow path to my compost pile, in the dark, we finally complained to them and they began to tie him up.  Of course then he barked.  For hours and hours most nights.  So we complained again, asking them, could they not hear him themselves since he was tied right outside their bedroom?  Apparently not.  But they immediately developed an acute ear for our air-condtioner which was about 100 feet further from their bedroom than their own dog and had been part of the house when we moved there.  It's the funniest thing that they never noticed the noise the AC made when the previous owners had the house and not with us either, till we complained about their dog barking.

I had a similar problem many years ago with a neighbour's dog (but without the noisy aircon ;) )  but I offered to buy a large noisy parrot and keep it in the garden :D :D  They chose to keep the dog quiet :D :D

Sadly the way some people give advice comes across as very aggressive and they probably don't know they are doing it.  Best to just accept they have no people skills and walk away from it.  Puppies should experience the outside if it is safe.  The last thing you want is shy puppies who are afraid of the great outdoors.

You may recall I had a problem with my neighbours who complained about my dogs barking and when I told them the main cause of it they told me not to be silly.  Since then they have parked less frequently in the turning space (in front of my house) and the dogs hardy bark at all but the neighbours still have a little 'tut' at the other dog at the back of us barking (not exsesivly) Just goes to show they are not happy unless they have something to complain about!

My pups are loving the great outside! In fact I have one that really doesn't want to come back indoors ;) She has started to hide in some very hard to get at places when she sees me taking the others in. :) I didn't let them outside last night, though. Not with all the thunder and lightning. It went on for hours. :rolleyes: The adult dogs didn't want to go outside either :D

I try to give them as varied an experience as possible, but my wahing machine has broken down :( so I am having to think of other things to do for them.

Buy a big paddling pool, put the dirty washing in there and let the pups have a play in that ! They will get the washing clean for you and have fun at the same time :D :D

Lucy
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ps make sure it is away from any soil ;) :p :p

That's Ok if your into the distressed look

Is that the clothes or LindyLou :p :p

I think it has to be me :-p ;) Very distressed look :) They had me up at 2.30, 4.30 and 6.30 last night I gave up in the end and stayed up. I pity the new owners (we really need a devil face on here :D ) It only takes one to cry and they are all up. The bags under my eyes are almost touching the ground :rolleyes:

I've started washing the clothes in the bath, so maybe I should try putting the pups in there? No? Oh well, my good neighbour comes back today so will have the use of her washing machine until I can get someone out to look at mine. Oh, I have 3 paddling pools, but not one is whole. Dogs and nails and plastic don't go well together.

Linda,

I have the number of a very reliable guy, he isn't dirt cheap but he's not a con man.

When do I get to come & see them?

Anytime you like, Christine. I could do with some adult conversation! I'll be in Dundee tomorrow morning for a little while (need to drop off something at my sons) but will be home before lunch time. Give me a call or message and we can arrange a time.

There's a guy locally who does fixing things, but he's very busy just now. He's supposed to be very good, and very reasonable, which is probably why he's busy ;)

Dundee open show tomorrow Linda!    First on at 9.30 so maybe Sunday depending on the £'s in my pocket, weather (For photos) and getting some momentum!

The clothes.

Oops! Forgot about the show. Might just nip in on my out again. Son lives just 5 mins away from Camperdown. Obviously didn't enter, don't want Chance bringing anything home. Will just have to make sure I have other clothes and shoes to change into at Tescos on the way home! Sunday will be fine, but if I catch you at the show will talk there.

Brainless, my clothes are always distressed so I don't suppose anyone would notice the difference :D