Been to a show today. There were 5 in junior class. Someones bitch won junior and then it turns out it should have been in Post Grad and not Junior. So this guy is stood there with the red rosette in his hand having a chat with the steward and judge. Obvious error on both steward and exhibitor ( this guy knows better as major exhibitor with oodles of cc's). It was decided that his bitch would keep the first place rosette from Junior and withdraw from post grad. She went on to challenge and got reserve best of breed.   Was this grounds for disqualification or re order of the junior class ???  Surely this was wrong !!

If the bitch is too old for Junior, could they be disqualified, because of course Junior is an ''age'' class rather than a ''wins'' class. However in addition, according to the rules you cannot withdraw from a breed class in order to remain unbeaten and then compete for Best of Breed, so they should not have been able to withdraw from Post Grad and then go on to Res BOB.

I think though that a complaint must be made at the show with a £35.00 fee.

Dawn R.

The disqualification can only be done by the KC after the show.

If the dog was too old for Junior & the error had been noticed before judging commenced the dog can be transferred into the open class, this is done by the show executive BTW not the ring steward

You can object via the KC under the F Regs[F(1)28.a(3)/c(3)/(d)(2)]within 7 days of the show with £35 deposit(which is returned if the objection is upheld) & a  copy of the objection sent to the Show Secretary.

The disqualification would be for a dog exhibited in a class for which is not eligible due to being overaged

If the dog is not overaged then the disqualification would be for withdrawing from a class in breach of F 27.e

I would think that it should be disqualified because it obviously went in the wrong class???  As others say if you or anyone else want to take matters further then you have to go to the KC.

I once put my dog in the wrong class for his eligibility, I didn't realise at the time, although I had phone calls to say that a number of people had complained and gone to the KC, that was 17 months ago and I never heard a thing!

Dog was too old for Junior. Cannot believe this and they let him keep the win ! He had such a smug smile on his face as well. Wondering if he knew what he was doing!!

If your in the wrong class you get disqualified, unless moved to correct age class or Open in this case before judging.

A dog lost it's Group win at Crufts for being overqualified for it's class, which in that case needed not have happened as he would have won Open dog the CC and BOB etc anyway.

In the case you describe it is unfair to the other exhibits in the class as the fourth would have missed out qualifying for Crufts,a nd the second could have had a point towards it's junior warrant.

As the dog was already entered in PG the logic of withdrawing from that escapes me as we all know you can't withdraw from a breed class to stay unbeaten.  Never understand why people need to stand in the challenge, if the judge liked your dog that much it would win the next class too.

Interestingly at Crufts the eventual RCC winner in bitches in my breed had won Limit, but was second in Good Citizen.

The CC went to the Open winner who had also won Good citizen.  This meant that there were two second placed dogs only beaten by the Cc winner,a nd it was the one from Good citizen (who won Limit but couldn't go in challenge as a beaten bitch) who won the RCC.  Now some stewards would not have realised and not called her back in.

Interestingly enough the judge can call back any dog/bitch from those placed in each class they like for the CC challenge-including beaten dogs ! Have a look at the Regs that cover awards  F(1)7.b.

>Best of Breed

>Where a breed is separately classified a Best of Breed must be declared. Where Separate classes are provided for each sex of a breed a Best of each Sex must be declared from those exhibits which have received an award

Nowhere does it state only unbeaten dogs can be considered ! same goes for Best Puppy in fact the Best Puppy only has to be entered in the breed classes ! doesn't even have to be placed

>Dog was too old for Junior. Cannot believe this and they let him keep the win ! He had such a smug smile on his face as well. Wondering if he knew what he was doing!!

If it was a championship show the dog will be disqualified as the KC do check all Ch Show placings

The Ring Steward & Show Executive cannot disqualify any dog nor stop it going into a class it is ineligible for only the KC General Committee can do that

If it was a championship show the dog will be disqualified as the KC do check all Ch Show placings

They don't check all the placings.

I have seen several cock ups this year and last.  Just for an example  A champshow BP award was withdrawn from an exhibitor nearly a year later because it was a day over on the 1st day of the show, this was not picked up by the KC but by another exhibitor.

Best puppy is an award not a placing ;-) their computer automatically checks the DOB & age classes(especially if the show is done on line with the printing company that requires the KC numbers) as someone I know found out, they laughing told me the KC would never find out as they had put a qualifiying DOB on their entry form with their puppy They got a 4th & the placing resulted in a disqualification ! Much to my pleasure I might add

It won the puppy class and then got BP award so it was a placing, :-)  and it wasn't pick up by the KC . It was a champshow.

I must add it was a genuine error on the exhibitors part but it proves the KC do not pick up everything. I think reading what you have said it was the printing company that may have found the error not the KC. ;-)

Even though there is a place for the KC numbers on the online sites a lot of people do not put them in. I know quite a few who don't. They just put some dashes in and it takes it no problem. Honestly ;-) as there is no requirement except for the very odd show to provide anything but the KC registered unique name & DOB some don't. :-)

Not with this placing it came directly from the KC committee a couple of months after the show, which was a breed Ch Sh not a General Ch show had to laugh though as they actually reported me for an incorrect entry that was in fact a printers error !!!! & they lost their £35 too :-D

Seen a few printing errors also, some to the extreme.

A freind of mine shows a bitch she bought from another breeder her affix on the end. She entered the bitch at a champshow and the entry on the catalogue was the bitches grandmother bred/owned by the original breeder and nothing ever to do with my freind. They got the CC that day but had first thing before judging went straight to the Secretary to point out the error. I am told if the error is the fault of the printer and not the exhibitor the awards would never be removed. ( naturally you would expect this BUT we know the KC) :-D