My bitch is due as from tomorrow. If she is pregnant (read my other thread)

This morning she ate her breakfast as normal and spent most of her time laying next to me whimpering on and off.
I went upstairs to check my emails and all the dogs barked at something or other and my bitch howled! never heard her do that before!  So went down stairs and there was a weird smell, checked my bitch and she was wet all around her back end and only a tiny bit on floor, there are no water bowls on the floor they are on stands and no water spilled from them.
I checked her with a white tissue to make sure the discharge and their is no colour to it.]

Spoken to the another breeder and they feel it may be her waters breaking or her anal glands.  But she has never suffered from her anal glands before???
Any advice greatly received!!!!

Could she have had a pup and left it somewhere? Certainly sounds suspicious that something is happening, there is a distinctive smell when bitches whelp.
Is she with the other dogs, I would keep her separated from them?
Fingers crossed for you and your girl!
Eavie

What is her temperature? 

Sound as it her water bag has broken, but, just in case I would have a look for a puppy as well. Good luck for today.

HER TEMP IS 101, I HAVE SEARCHED AROUND AND NO PUP! SHE IS LAYING BESIDE ME NOW FAST ALSEEP. BEFORE THAT SHE LAY DOWN AND AFTER A WHILE SCRAMBLE TO HER FEET AND RUN INTO THE OTHER ROOM FOR NO REASON??
I AM KEEPING A CLOSE EYE ON HER, I HOPE THIS IS IT AND NOT A FALSE ALARM!

give it another two hours gollie did all what you stated from 8 pm then at 12,05am she had a pup.
the discharge may be the plug or her waters have broken.

Please don't post all in capital letters , it makes your posts very hard to read

My bitch went for a wee, then on returning to the whelping room, jumped on the sofa, I pulled her off nd got her into he box, then to my amazement found a pup lying by the sofa, she must have had it while jumping up.  I have only ever had a bitch scream when a pup was born as the water bag would not cause such pain.

A freinds bitch went out into the garden to fin the hole she had been digging while she was on the ph0ne to me, next thing my freind went out to bring her in and heard whimpering only to find a puppy several fet qaway from where the bitch wasresting, she was totally unaware she had it.

Hope it all goes well, keep us updated on any news.  Sorry not much help but it sounds as if things are happening. 
Good luck, Yvonne

If the water bag has burst the niose you heard may have been your bitch being startled especially if this is her first litter and if the other dogs went to sniff and investigate her.
Please keep a close eye on her and keep the other dogs seperate from her until you know whats happening.
Good Luck.

I have separated her from the other dogs now, just took her for a short walk and she has small amount of clear discharge.
I am trying to keep calm and watching her very carefully.
thanks for all your advise and stories i will keep you posted!
It will  be me on the sofa tonight!!

It will  be me on the sofa tonight!!

And for the next 2 weeks!  Make the best of any rest you can get now. :)

How are things now?

just off to bed now on the sofa!!!
She is ok, had a bit of a whimper earlier but all seems quiet at present.
will keep you updated tomorrow
thanks to all xx

Morning everyone!
Slept on the sofa last night to keep an eye on my girl, she was fine until 130am this morning when she woke me up and got in the whelping box (rare) and scrapped around a little and then got out laid on the floor and whimpered!
We are up this morning she has eaten her breakfast and staying by my side, I will take her temp later, as I tried to do it this morning and she kept whimpering so I not sure if I did get it in the right spot so to speak
:rolleyes:

Someone else will be on with more knowledge but just in case they dont.....if she was wet yesterday, and as said, may have been a puppy sac rupturing, I think a phone call to the vet would be in order as you are coming up to 20 hours since it happened.
Hope all goes well :)
Lea :)

yes i would just get her check to it been over 12 hours it better to be safe than sorry

If I were you, I would get her to the vet asap.  She may only be in the early stages, but as she was wet yesterday, I would suspect she needs a little bit of help

If you have any doubts, lack of knowledge or experience, take her to your Vet.

Just taken her temp and its 98.3.
spoken to another breeder of the same breed and she has suggested keeping a close eye on her as things may start happening! Giving her plenty of water, space from the other dogs and quiet household.

I will take her to the vets if I feel there are any problems but with what I have been told it seems we are on track.

hope all is ok, but it's not usual to have the water bag burst so long in advance.

Hope all is working out okay, any signs of new arrivals yet, how is your girl doing..

All is peaceful at present, my girl is asleep, she moved the blanket around a bit before she settled (never done that before!).
Before she went to sleep she laid down and her back legs kept flinching now and again.
I have been reading my 'breeding' books and it says things could start rolling within the next 24 to 48 hours as her temp seems to have dropped this morning, so I will check it again later this evening xx

watching with interest.  everything crossed!!!

All the best, everything crossed aswell.
Yvonne

Good luck with your imminent arrivals, hope all goes smoothly for you x

How exciting! Hope all goes well.

any news on the babies yet?

Waiting to hear some news!!!

This morning she has eaten her breakfast, her temp is now 97.5
She has been digging in the garden and whimpering, now she is laid down and calm!!!
I have telephoned my vets and they have said to either wait as she is showing all good signs and is not ill, or if I worried to bring her to surgery.
I do not want to move her just in case she is starting, as I feel the journey and the proding around she will get at the vets will stress her.

I am hoping today is the day, she had four good days of mating so if they are in there then something should happen soon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Don't know what others think, but to me this has been going on too long now - particularly in light of the fact that a scan showed she wasn't in whelp, so there may just be one puppy, giving more likelihood of PUI. I'd be getting the vet to check her out, myself (and hoping that the car journey would start her off and I wouldn't need to go in! :D) Better safe than sorry.

Perhaps everyone else will think I'm a worry-guts though?

M.

No, I don't think that you're a worry guts at all.  I suggested the same yesterday morning.  OP is obviously not confident or she wouldn't be posting. :(  If in ANY doubt, ALWAYS take your dog to the Vet.

I don't think I would have waited this long either, I say get her to the vet, she could be having a full blown phantom and just going through the motions or there may be just one pup, either way she really needs to be checked over.

I do really appreciate all your welcomed advice and knowledge.
I have bred before but only terrier type dog.
My breeder is helping me through this, and is very experienced with this breed of dog.  She would be the first one to tell me to take her to the vets but she has told me it is normal, and that if she has not produced anything by friday, then take her to the vets. As Tuesday was the estimated due date, and she had four days of mating, and she is well in her self not distressed in anyway and is peaceful. My breeder says it may have been her waters breaking on Monday or it could have been her anal glands, but my girl is not distressed.
My OH agrees with the breeder to wait and see what happens, this may be a false pregnancy, or it may not time will tell.
Please do not hate me and think I am letting my dog suffer, I am not she is peaceful, the first sign of stress or pain I will take her to the vet.
I just wanted to post on here to share my experiences and yours, in hope that could share things with other people interested in breeding etc:
I love my dogs and care greatly for them, my vets are aware of the situation.

I agree with the others.  If there is inertia I don't think you will see any signs of stress or pain until it is too late.  If she was mine I would, at least, be speaking to the vet on the phone and ensuring they have a very full history in particular the possible water loss event.

i walk my dogs all time will they are in whelp and on the day they are due gollie walked 40min she wanted to go then she had her pup wispa was u the track with in 2 min got home she drop a pup.the same happen with brie too.
i would walk her around the garden to excersie and get thing moving.

I agree with Brie- take her out into the garden for exercise- I did this with mine last year and she ended up having a pup outside :-o :-)  I personally would be worrying by now though but you're the one with the bitch sat infront of you, so you must know what you're doing :-)

Stacey x

I also wouldn't be taking my bitch to the Vet BUT I would know if she was pregnant.  I would know why she was whimpering.  I would know what her temperature was telling me.  I would know what the funny smell was with the liquid loss and why she howled.  I wouldn't have her with other dogs the week before she was due to whelp - she would be alone in her whelping box. :)

I just hope that this bitch has a comfortable whelping.

congratulations on your vast knowledge.............bitches have and regularly do "fool" vets and breeders alike. pups can "hide" on scans and phantoms can be very convincing.
My main concern, would be the fluid, if it was a water bag, I would be panicking if a pup did not follow within a few hours. If it is the plug then, yes, she is progressing fine.
The worry with a small litter is not enough hormone to kick things off, with the uncertainty over the scan, I think that this is what is worrying other posters. Is there any way that you can take her to the vet or get the vet to come to you? I think that it is better to be safe than sorry, our girls are too precious not to be. Good luck,
Eavie

Thank you but my concern is for the bitch not other people's snidey comments. :) 
With the number of strange events, she needs an experienced breeder or a Vet to confirm that she is OK.

I thought she said in her post that she has an experienced breeder in this particular breed guiding her??

true, why wait

if it was me personally i would at least phone the vet to make sure and see what they said... but if they both feel confident this is ok, then who are we to say

gemini05 get your self the book of the bitch,

one two bitches whelping are the same and or breeders have their tales to tell in whelping bit like himans when they give birth,but i would go and get her check beacuse if it was the water bag the same in humans once the broken the pup at risk to infections as well as the bitch.if it was a string of clear miurcus then that ok it the plug from womb to say the puppie are on their way,

i never have anal gland problem but it know if they go i though it was a smell and a slight discharge not a leak.

i would go to vet incase there a dead pup hiolding up a live ones.sorry to say.

>I would know what the funny smell was with the liquid loss and why she howled.

What do you think it was then?

I wasn't there and so didn't smell the funny smell or see why she would howl - but I would have been if I had a bitch due to whelp. :)

I see, but given the events that have taken place I'm just curious as to why you said you would not be taking her to a vet.  Did you mean from the history you do not think it can be inertia or, just hypothetically speaking, you would not have let it get to this stage?   Even with all the experience in the world, though, you cannot prevent inertia happening and when it does you would always need veterinary intervention wouldn't you, no matter how experienced?  So although I do agree with most of the points you make I don't think they deal with the pressing issue at this point which I believe, as do others, that veterinary, fully informed, opinion could be vital just now.

I see, but given the events that have taken place I'm just curious as to why you said you would not be taking her to a vet.

I have twice suggested that this bitch needs to see a Vet - or someone experienced to see her with their own eyes - to confirm that she is OK.   

I said that I would not be taking my bitch to the Vet after other posters were suggesting taking her for a walk instead of taking her to the Vet. :)

i didnt state to take the bitch for a walk instead of the vet,

i stated that taking the bitch for a walk may help move thing in the right way.has it has done with my girls.

>I said that I would not be taking my bitch to the Vet after other posters were suggesting taking her for a walk instead of taking her to the Vet.

Well, still confused :) Is the not a typo?