Walking the boys today in quite a popular dog walking area for this time of year in the village (the only place that doesnt contain 2 foot of mud :rolleyes: ) The boys were a bit ahead of me, and round the corner came a man with 2 cockers he said hello to alf and was making a fuss of him so I didnt call the dogs back, the boys said hello to the mans dogs, I grabbed Alf because he is known to go home with anything without balls (the cockers were girlies !) but Fagan who is usually obedient would not leave them alone and the man said "oh they are interesting at the moment, they are on heat" I said to him "are you serious!!" whilst grabbing hold of Fagan and he made the comment of the century "its ok they are too small for yours to do anything" :rolleyes: I told him that of course they werent, and that one of mine having been used at stud a couple of times would have no problems seeing as he knew all about it   and he said "well what should I do lock them up ?" so I told him to road walk them like other people do in the same situation - then I called him a silly irresponsible little man and walked off dragging my boys behind me   some people really infuriate me.  Thats the second time ive had "words" in those woods in the past two weeks - roll on the better weather when I can walk further off the beaten track.

If your meeting in season bitches, I would be in the mud (I am anyway:rolleyes:) rather that than having to wait 20-45 minutes for your stud to untie from a bitch you did not wish him to mate with.

We know that many people with in season bitches are hopeless, the truth is many people who own entire dogs and bitches have no real knowledge, I've met a few myself.

I understand your frustration but if he appears to have been quite friendly to start with, with your dogs and yourself, perhaps all he really needed was someone with more experience to explain and teach him how to care for his in season bitches and how he should not put them to chance.

I dare say calling him a silly little man got the message across too and he may well have deserved it if he had become arrogant, perhaps he learnt from your encounter, perhaps not, but I'd be running in those muddy fields just incase.

They are the first in season bitches we have met - the last one was a disagreement with a boxer !  I should have maybe explained to the man but I just saw red because he was so laid back about his bitches being in season and the fact that my big dog was about to jump on it !!

I have been sticking to road walking/jogging trying to build some muscle on one of my boys - the off lead walk in the woods was a treat (and nearly a bigger treat than I had in mind )

I took them to the forest with some friends on Sunday and apparantly there was a jack russell running round there that was in season, thankfully by the time we got walking she had just left :rolleyes:

some people just really dont understand, I can understand sometimes why vets are so keen to neuter / spay.

I have an absolute classic, when my brothers GSD's were younger (after a relationship split, I looked after them quite a lot due to my brother's working schedules) and we were all happily playing in the fields when a woman approached us with her in season lab bitch, the younger GSD was only 6 months and bounded over to the approaching lab sniffing away like mad, having a bitch myself I noticed the signs of my two interested males sniffing away at her back end.

The woman, (who later became a dog walking friend whilst I lived there) was chatting away to me, I began to lead the two boys as I could see them getting excited and asked her if her lab was in season, oh yes, she says, we've been getting a lot of attention haven't we she says to her girl.:rolleyes: She went on to ask me how old the boys were and when I mentioned the younger was 6 months, she said, oh you can let him off to play with mine then????

We had a long amazing conversation, but to cut a long story short, she actually believed that dogs under a year could not  a) cause pregnancy and b) get pregnant.

I put her straight on everything and also explained that there were many young entire dogs around this area, and it was probably only because the other males had been appropriately recalled and leaded that she had been lucky so far an also not to get a mouthful from the owners. And that her girl most certainly could mate and fall pregnant.

This woman wasn't stupid or ill educated at all, just a complete lack of dog knowledge. As a breeder I have learnt to never take anything for granted, my pup owners get told everything even if they look at me as if to say do you really think I need to know that, as experience keeps proving, boy they certainly do!

You have my sympathy!  Nothing that people do with in season bitches suprises me any more.  I recently spent 20 mins walking around a country park with a stranger (lovely lady!) and her 2 bull terriers whilst doing a bit of socialisation with my new pup.  As ever we talked about dogs and in the course of conversation I told her quite a lot about my other dog - including the fact that he is an entire male - as she seemed very interested.  As we came to the end of one field I said that my pup had done enough  and that I would put her back in the car and get out my (entire) boy.  She decided to come back to the carpark with me as she wanted to meet the boy.  Sooooo..........back we go, off load Gunner gundog who immediately sniffs the air and adopts his 'strutting' pose before making a bee-line for one of the bitches with that 'all my birthdays have come at once' look. I was immediately suspicious, but thought surely not!!!  So, I said to the lady he seems to like your girl, you would almost think she was in season.  'Oh but she is' says said lady.......'he won't do anything to her will he?'  At that stage the air turned purple as I legged it across the field to grab Gunner just as he mounted the bitch.  And referring to another thread on this forum.........if anyone thinks there was a cats chance in hell of recalling him away from that sort of situation, well.........put it this way, I would like to see someone demo it to me and teach me how to do it with my dog.  If that means I have a Victorian attitude to how in season bitches should be exercised, then so be it.  All I will finish by saying is that it is apparently illegal in New Zealand to exercise an in season bitch off the confines of your own property!  Tempting...............

I take it from your description the bitch was off lead.  Nobody is saying they expect a dog owner to leg it after an off lead meeting we would not expect that from even the most Victorian of owners ;).  The woman was being irresponsible and frankly stupid anyway in passing time with you but unless you are comparing like with like I don't think you can critisise the rest of us who take considerably more care than this.  We are not in New Zealand :)

hahaha I have been seething about this all morning,a neighbour came into the park with her very flirty in season lab,and said she thought she'd walk round with me and my dogs,early on account of her being in season,and her not wanting to meet any male dogs,well what on earth did she think my 18 stone Mastiff was trying to do,now you try stopping a well used stud of one of them,I now have yet another chipped tooth,and what feels like the beginning of a shiner,I must admit I did not really think I would be able to hang onot him for much longer as its so boggy and muddy in fields where we walk,I went over twice,lady merrily walked on her way and shouted back to me,oh i'll go a bit further ahead to stop annoying your boy,arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Wendy

Does shouting get you anywhere though?   I have a male dog and yes, it is a bit annoying to meet bitches in season but I usually stick the lead around his neck and walk away.   In season bitches still need to be exercised too and we don't all have pavements to go road walking on especially living a bit out in the country plus my back ends up very sore if I road walk too much since I had that van crash.

But I have 2 entire girls too and they still need to get out so I try and go at quieter times of the day (Mia is in season at the moment) but it inevitable we may meet someone with a dog - they usually get 2-3 hours a day and I can't go from that to nothing.

who shouted ? I just told the guy what I thought of him, I think it is very irresponsible to walk an in season bitch off lead in a popular dog walking area, there are enough pavements where I live to road walk them, or walk at not so popular times - not between 4pm and 5pm when everyone has their dog out.

It is only a few weeks a year, and there is always somewhere you can take the girls where dogs have no business being off lead.

I don't drive (though have pavemnts) and have had up to three bitches in season at a time of an energetic breed who love their walks, but would never dream of taking thewm anywhere where dogs are off lead.

Wish there were more people around who thought like you.

Wendy....Ouch!  I feel for you!  And I thought I had problems dragging my 35kg GSP off the bull terrier bitch!  :-)

well thank you kindly Gunner,I did not get a shiner after all,but a lovely bruise on my leg and up my back where at one point I was flat on my face in the mud,with him trying to clamber over me,hahaha,
Wendy

my 18 stone Mastiff

Oh my goodness - I knew they were big dogs but had no idea they were thaaaaaaaat big :)

Moose the sexy boy in question is particularly big,not a fatty though,top of his head is nearly level with my boobs,and i'm five foot four,my other males are around the 16 stone mark,which is still a handful when romance is in the air
Wendy