The BBC is running an item on these this morning on its news programme.  More after 9am apparently.

I saw it,Bruce Fogle was saying by crossing 2 pedigrees you are reducing the genetic problems,surly if you are crossing 2 breeds with different problems the offspring is going to have a chance of having the problems of both breeds

Also the Australians have been monitoring 'Labradoodles' and have discovered that they have a higher mean hipscore than either labradors or poodles. :rolleyes:

if you are crossing 2 breeds with different problems the offspring is going to have a chance of having the problems of both breeds
& if like labs & standard poodles you are crosing two breeds with the same genetic problems(HD & PRA)you are hardly breeding to improve the health of the offspring either

Saw Bruce Fogle this morning,  my goodness wha a load a rott  that man speaks,  scarey really as he is a vet, and so many people will think he must know what he is talking about.   He states they are good for people who suffer alleries,   will have less health problems than their pedigree cousins!    It does not take much working out that if you cross 2 breeds together,  you might just end up with a dog which inherites  both breed problems.

He also stated that they can cost up to £1,500 , and did not see anything wrong with this.

The presenter jokingly said, well yes , but you could`nt cross something like a Pug with a German Shephard!!  his answer was, why not!!!

There was also a lady from the PDSA , she also stated that they will be far more healthy than a pure pedigree. beggers belief really.

I'm glad I didn't see this because I think I would have ended up breaking the TV!!

Same here, I've stopped watching Dog Borstal for the same reason.  Too stressful!  The whole 'designer breed' thing frightens me quite honestly, I'd much rather have a pedigree and information available to tell me what to expect than one of the random crossbreeds that are popping up - I've seen great dane X rhodesian pups for sale, dobe X mastiff, all sorts.  Some truly odd mixes too, I dread to think what the temperaments would end up like - often they seem to be from two breeds of completely different background, so the problems (such as high prey drive, wandering after scents etc) can be multiplied.

I  saw that this was coming up on the news this morning and wanted to watch it, but was busy with the dogs so missed it. Why o why people would want to X breed in the first place sickens me, especially as rescue homes are full of them.
We have hundreds  of pedigrees all designed for some purpose so, plenty to chose from. If only people would take the time to look about, they would find the breed for them.

>If only people would take the time to look about, they would find the breed for them.

And generally for a lower price, too. :rolleyes:

Unfortunately there are many people with the "must have, must have now" mentality who play right into the hands of the twerps who produce these pups, who simply rub their hands in glee and trouser the cash. :(

That Fogle idiot is doing Crufts again too, grr! At least Clare Balding is also doing it, hopefully she can shut him up! :rolleyes:

I was totally gobsmacked at the tv as I mistakenly thought the guests would be wanting to dissuade people from ridiculous crosses.  i think the example the male presenter was crossing a shepherd with a chi and bruce fogle said there would be obstacles but it could be done.  He never mentioned that if the bitch wasn't the shepherd there would be a dead chi in the house.  it beggars belief

I agree with everything you all say,yesterday in our local paper there were Sprocker pups advertised I rang up to be nosy and the man who I spoke to said they were 6 weeks so would not be able to leave until they were 8 weeks,his just neutured cocker dog had mated with his springer and resulted in 7 puppies,I asked how much they were I could not believe his reply,they were free,I asked why he was giving them away and he told me I just want them to go to good homes and at the end of the day they are cross breads,I could not believe it someone who talks sense

I mean no disrespect for anybody.....but now I do understand, but only in recent years.
It never would have occured to me to need to bo breed specific, dogs were dogs to me for many years, in fact only 'posh people' had named breed dogs, the rest of us had a pet dog when there was somebody around with puppies!
Karen ;-)

A friend of mine has just got one he's 12 weeks old and they are besotted with him. The breeder told them that they can live until they are 18. How can they know this as its such a new breed?
They have to get him castrated as he is an F1 whatever that means,he sounds like a plant.

Ange,
F1 is 'The First Filial'
Filial 1 In genetics, the first generation that results from the crossing of two parental lines, as the filial generation. In general, pertaining to the relationship of children, both sons and daughters, to their parents.
From the Latin filialis, from filius (son) and filia (daughter)
:)

All first crosses are 'F1'. :)

To create 'Labradoodles' (for example) as a new breed you'd need to have a number of F1 labrador/poodle crosses, then breed those F1s together to get F2s etc. They wouldn't be recognised as a breed until the gene pool had been closed and no more first crosses were being produced - so in this case they'd be sensible to change the name to differentiate between the new breed and the crosses. If they insist all F1s are neutered they obviously don't want the breed to be recognised.

Labradoodles do shed no matter what anybody tells you the higher up in the generation you go for example
F2
F3
F4
F5 and so on
the less they are likely they are to shed
labradoodles have been bred for around 30 years although not in the country
you also get F1b and F2b which means first generation back crossed to either a pure bred poodle or labrador normally to a poodle to get the curly coat
again all the rescue are not just filled up with cross bred dogs but also like many tears rescue in south wales all pure bred dogs infact more pure bred pedigrees than cross breed
i think as long as its not something stupid and dangerous like i've seen labrador cross chihuahuas and danes cross ridge backs and so on
and the parents have all the health tests done and they have come back great i don't really see a problem as if you think about it all dogs were cross bred at some point and only through the kennel club do they become a known breed lets face it now the kc doesn't mean a thing puppy farmers have theres kc reg and what does the kc do to stop them NOTHING so you might as well go out and buy a cross bred or a pure bred with no pedigree as anybody can write some names down on a pedigree
which is a shame but we are never going to stop puppy farmers and still people buy of them

Thankyou Jeangenie and Huskygal for explaining that to me. Sorry I didn't thank you sooner but I've only just read your replies.