Well I got both books - and decided to try the Richard Curtis 'how do you do' first stage of getting Louis to give me his paw. We've been trying to do it for months - within 5 minutes tonight he was giving me his paw! As soon as the treat in my hand was close to his nose up came the paw to touch my hand . Mind you it does say in the book that depending on what side of his nose you put the treat dictates what paw you get - all I can say is my dog must be left pawed! No matter what side of his nose I put the treat it was the left paw I got !
Tomorrow I move from treat - click - open to treat click open and left/right - think he will get the hang of it better than me ....
Fifteen minutes of training and thirty minutes playing with his toys and he's shattered...............aagh bless .......... you'd never think he went for the plasterer yesterday

Maxine
ps thanks for the recommendations