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Topic Dog Boards / Showing / Long in loin?
- By billybob105 [gb] Date 12.01.07 19:36 UTC
My little lad got his first critique today, and it was good (well, better than expected), but it said he was long in loin and I don't know what this means.  Is it a fault.  He was 9 months old at the time if this helps at all.
- By Jeangenie [gb] Date 12.01.07 19:38 UTC
Long in loin mean he's got a bit too much length between ribs and pelvis. This can lead to a slight weakness on the topline in maturity. It's more excusable in bitches, where it gives more bodyroom for carrying a litter.
- By billybob105 [gb] Date 13.01.07 12:18 UTC
Thank you
- By Brainless [gb] Date 13.01.07 13:36 UTC
Would definitely be a fault in my breed which is required to be square in outline with a short broad deep loin to give it strength and the ability to dodge easily  A dog can be square but have a long loin and short rib.  This means they are not as strong in their back and don not have the chest room for a good set lungs which they need for stamina.  So these requirements are generally functional not just aesthetic.  As JG has said most bitches are a touch longer in this area to allow for puppies, and some very short loined bitches can have problems in whelping.
- By setspan [gb] Date 13.01.07 14:57 UTC
I would say tho that at only 9 months there is plenty more time for development dependant on the breed?! My boy was described this way when a youngster and now his chest has developed and his ribs have sprung he is not long at all
- By Dill [gb] Date 13.01.07 18:24 UTC
It very much depends on the breed tho, some call for longer loins and some for short.  If the breed standard calls for short loins then it's a fault, but at nine months it could be due to a lack of maturity.  Best way to find out is to check the breed standard ;)  And don't forget, it's only one judge's opinion, another judge may have a different opinion.  Time to worry is when they keep mentioning it ;)
- By ChristineW Date 15.01.07 17:54 UTC
"My boy was described this way when a youngster and now his chest has developed and his ribs have sprung he is not long at all"

I thought that basic bone structure wouldn't change even with maturity?  If he is long in the loin how a rib spring could change this I don't know?   Maybe someone could enlarge on this?

My breed is supposed to be short coupled although one champ show judge wrote this down as a 'fault' against my dog comparing to the one he placed first!
- By Saxon [gb] Date 17.01.07 17:49 UTC
Just to confuse you, some judges will refer to it as being 'long coupled' or 'short coupled'. Basically, it's how much of a gap there is between the last rib and the pelvis joint. The acceptable length varies from breed to breed. In my breed the ideal would be about 4 fingers width in an adult. Ask a breeder who breeds good examples of your breed what the optimum gap should be for a dog of 9 months, preferably in finger widths as it's fairly easy to use this method. This will give you a rough idea if there are other factors making him look long coupled or if he really is long coupled.
Topic Dog Boards / Showing / Long in loin?

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