hi
my 2 year old TT  is in season i did not expect her to come in till april i have a 9 month old tt dog any advice on keeping them seperate in the house etc

he has been sniffing at her since yesterday and again this morning so i just checked and she is in season

kenneling is not an option

any advice greatly appreciated

Georgina

Can you use a crate at all ? Also child gates are an option but be very careful as there is still a possibility they could tie through the gaps :)

Another thought is to get a friend to have the boy for a few weeks if you feel that kennels is definately not an option :)

Scent is what causes the problem. :(  As well as keeping them in completely different parts of the house, can you let one pee in the front and the other out the back? Try not to let them even share the hallway etc.  Good luck.  It's not something that I've ever been tempted to do in over 20 years, I've seen the grief of too many friends! ;)

yep i use crates i have them in the same room and i think i will have to crate one of them upstairs

kenneling or sending him to stay with a friend is not an option because boo is glued to me 24/7 he cries when i leave the house i know i know bad habit

i was sure she was not due in till april i was only talking about it the other day at the show

boo is off his food could that be anything got to do with lil being in season

should i count this as her first day of season

many thanks
georgina

She could have been in season for days and he only noticed yesterday.  It's worth wiping a bitch with a tissue every morning before you let her out, whether you have a dog or not.

Definitely crate one in a different part of the house and organise seperate toiletting.

Maybe kennelling should be the answer to break this 'glue' habit. :(  If he needs to go the Vet for a few days, he'll HAVE to get used to you not being there......

Most dogs (there's always the odd exception:rolleyes:) will go off their food and possibly howl when there is a bitch in season.

Yes if he is off his food I would suspect it is because she is in season ! :)

Be very very vigilant male dogs can turn into houdinies (sp) I would keep your bitch upstairs in your bedroom on a night and when you are not around, with a dog gate or crate between them, my friends JR even opened the crate my friends bitch was in so don't even leave him loose if she is crated.

As already said, he may well loose weight and stop eating as he will only have one thing on his mind, he is going to be driven crazy he may very well, whine, cry, howl and scratch at the door, shame you don't have anyone who could just take one of your dogs for a few weeks just to ease the pressure from your male, but if as you say there isn't be prepared for three weeks or so.

If the very worst happens, don't forget there is the morning after injection which your bitch can take upto approx 43 days later, so don't panic if it all goes belly up and he gets to her, try your best to segregate at all times though.

Sprays etc, won't work longterm with them living together.

Also remember to keep your girl safe from any other neighbourhood dogs they will also catch her scent.

In 28 years of having bitches and dogs together in an ordinary household we haven't had an accidental mating (touch wood).  Yes my boy does cry but only for a week when the girls are receptive after that a good telling off from the top bitch puts an end to his woo-wing.  You have to be vigilant and go back to puppy walking keeping them on a lead when in the garden so that you have complete control.  It could last a full month or you may be lucky and only have a week of the wolf howl.  I would guess that because your boy is so young his hormones are all up in the air anyway and he will be having a tough time working out why he isn't allowed to see Lill.

Crating seems a bit harsh but it is the only way to control things and I would also instruct your family to adopt the dog in signal when bringing a dog back into the house that has been for a walk to make sure that you have your other dog secure.

It doesn't last for ever and they are worth it

thanks everyone

i have just set up the spare crate in my bedroom and that is where she will be sleeping for the next few weeks ,and also when i am not in the house myself she is now in the other room with my parents and she is crying because she wants to be in here with me and boo is crying because he wants to go into her

at least now she wont miss any shows in 2007

Georgina

>at least now she wont miss any shows in 2007

You've lost me there, I'm afraid :o. Are you having her spayed after this season? Or does she have a very long cycle? Normally you'd expect seasons every 6 months, which would put her next one due in June, bang in the middle of the showing season!

her first season in 2005 was in april
then 2nd was in 2006 in april so i was expecting her to come in to season in april 2007 therefore she would have missed a few shows

How old was she when she had her first season?

opps sorry just looked at old diary she came in on 25th august 2005 at just under 11 months and then came in april 22nd 2006 

With her first season at 11 months, then a gap of 8 months, then another gap of 8 months, I'd say you can expect her next season round about August. It sounds as though she's come in exactly when she should have!

yep looks like i got my calculations wrong

hope it is the end of august would hate to miss the tt congress or munster circuit with her

thank you

Georgina

I crate mine in different rooms during seasons- and just alternate their time with us- that ways theres no possibility of accidents

Gosh i could never in a million years live with intact males and females.It must be hell on one and all,especially the poor dogs :( If being in season and not allowed to mate isnt bad enough,they then have to be segregated from eachother and their families. How on earth do you all cope with these arrangments,and most importantly how do the dogs cope? I give kudo's to anyone that can put up with this every 6 mths,doesnt it hurt you to see you're dogs so frustrated?

>I crate mine in different rooms during seasons

Lel are they crated constantly during seasons?

no they are alternated as i said

floors are disinfected and covers on sofas etc are changed so my male doesnt get distressed by any  bitch smells

If it upset either my dog or bitch i wouldnt put them in such a  position

Lots of people live with intact males and females Ktee ....and to be honest, my male dog (who has been castrated) STILL wants the girls when they are in season so we have to seperate them as well. At the moment I have both girls in season and Hudson is well aware of it and would attempt to get them if given the opportunity even though he has never been used at stud

My first stud dog would never take any notice if the bitches were in season infact he used to be in the lounge with us and the girls. (obviously I never left the room without taking him with me.)
On the other hand his nephew my 2nd stud dog used to be sent to a friends whilst the girls were in season cos he used to want to mate everything and used to howl, bark an stop eating.
Now I only have the girls cos I feel it unfair to have a dog segrated whilst they are in season and with 6 intact girls the boys would never be with us, one of them always seems to be in season!!! I have to say it is less stressful only having the girls.

We live with a mixed pack 5 dogs, 5 bitches, only the 2 oldest bitches and one of the young dogs are neutered.  At season time the dogs are fine living together and in fact when i am there up to the bitch being about 7 days into her season i can have them out together (although under strict supervision). 

from about day 7 to 21 the girls are together as are the boys, but in seperate parts of the house, each with a human companion.  The boys don't go off their food, they may hump each other but no more than usual (one of the spayed bitches humps all bar the oldest girl every morning just to proove a point).  The boys don't really exhibit frustration - they certainly don't take it out on each other.

Oh, and it's not every six months, very few breeds come into season that regularly, with mine it's about every 9 - 10 months.

Kate

We live with 2 dogs, 1 entire, 1 neutered, and a bitch. The 2 boys have fallen out so don't generally live together anyway. When my girl is in season the neutered male is fine, but my entire one who is a stud dog goes mad for the final week of the season. Last time my friend who does dogsitting was on holiday, but I plan for her to take him this time (once he's mated her, as we plan to start breeding). And yes, we've got all the health checks etc, and they are good examples of the breed and have good temperaments etc. :-)

>but my entire one who is a stud dog goes mad for the final week of the season

>the boys go to the kennels at the end of the paddock for the duration

>poor boo is going crazy last two days have been the worst ,he was howling all last night

>anything like my boys he'll howl for about another fortnight I'm afaid

>yep as i type he is crying at the door , nothing soothes him poor thing

>Yes, poor Henry howls for the last week or 10 days of a season.

This is what i mean.These comments were taken from just the last few posts of this one thread. I would just find it incredibly heartbreaking to see my dogs so upset and frustrated and was wondering how you all cope seeing your dogs so upset? Once again,this is the reason i could never keep intact males and females together,considering i dont breed,i dont see the point in putting them through it??

I do breed and agree I just couldn't put myself or the dogs through so much stress  I do not have the ability to separate the sexes in such a way that they will not be upset, or upset me and more importantly the neighbours.

I have handled stud dogs and they do get very driven.  I now feel quite sorry for them when I see what their hormones do to them :D  At least in their case they were there to mate the objects of their obsession, but after it is all over they seem so much happier when things are back to normal.

I just took back home a male that I handle at stud for his owner, I am sure he enjoyed visiting the bitch, but he wanted to go home to his Mum, and when he got there he almost visibly sighed as if to say thank God that palava is over.  I bred him and he visits here often so it wasn't being away from home that had him all unbalanced.

With up to 3 entire bitches in this house at a time I would find having a resident male simply impossible!!!  they tend to follow each other in season so sometimes the season period Will go on for 6 to 9 weeks at a time.

I suppose if I ha a house where you could have separate garden access, it might be possible, but not in my case as the only way into garden is through kitchen which in turn is from the living room, so nowhere to put a male where he wouldn't have to come past the in season bitches.

My girls also have synchronised seasons that can last 6 - 9 weeks, but they only come in season every 10 - 12 months. When they do the boys go to the kennels at the end of the paddock for the duration. They makke some noise but only go off their food when one of the bitches is spot on for mating.

Well, we've three entire males and 6 entire females in the house, and it's really not that difficult to manage.    The only problem I have is that one of the boys gets a bit picky with his food when the girls are at their peak, but to be honest, I would much rather have entire dogs than neutered ones, whether or not I intended to breed.

With neutered dogs of either sex, they just don't give off the same pack messages; the only problems we've ever had have been caused by neutered males in the pack.  But that's another arguement - been there before, haven't we? :-)

Jo

thank you very much for all your advice

when i go back to work next week lil will be crated in my room i only work 9-12 and she sleeps while i am at work anyway and we have a gate on the stairs so boo wont get near her

Georgina

hi all
how long do you think is left to lils season
she is in since as far as i know the 29th

poor boo is going crazy last two days have been the worst ,he was howling all last night eventually stopped at 6am

will certainly be making alternative arrangements next season but hopefully by then we will have moved house

Georgina

If Boo is anything like my boys he'll howl for about another fortnight I'm afaid :rolleyes:  Your bitch is probably just getting to the interesting stage at 11 days and I'd imagine she has another 7 to 10 days left.

yep as i type he is crying at the door , nothing soothes him poor thing

Yes, poor Henry howls for the last week or 10 days of a season. I don't suppose he'll be any happier after having been allowed to have her on this next occasion!?

In my experience he may well be calmer after he's had his evil way with her. I find that dogs that have been used at stud don't fuss until the bitch is spot on for mating. It's the boys who have never been used that carry on through most of the season.

not breeding her on next season either 
little minx is as eager as boo when he is in crate she goes into the room to torment him and keeps standing with tail to side Little Minx
but boo may well be staying with a friend next time unless we have moved by then hopefully we will fingers crossed

i bought the bitch spray today petshop finally got it in and i sprayed it all over and he has not cried all day

mollie my 10 yr old pom x jrt is due in soon but i am going to get her the injection never got her spayed because her mother was very sick after she was spayed and did not want to risk it and she is never off lead and we had no males at the time

Georgina

season over thankfully

survived it without any problems

i would like to thank everyone for all their help and advice

georgina :-)