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Topic Dog Boards / Feeding / JWB versus Burns
- By maisiemum [gb] Date 10.12.06 12:52 UTC
I have always fed my dogs on Burns, but have recently changed over to JWB (which goes against my principles due to their ownership).  I was told that Burns is not as good because of the high rice content - not enough meat apparently, so I thought I ought to switch.  They have kibble in the morning and Naturediet at night.  I would also like to start them on raw marrowbone and they also have little bits of meat, fruit and veg as extras (I slightly underfeed to allow for this).  Has anyone got any opinions on this?
- By Blue Date 10.12.06 14:31 UTC
but have recently changed over to JWB (which goes against my principles due to their ownership). 

:confused::confused::confused: feed them something else then.

If you want to feed them a more natural diet just do it :-)
- By CherylS Date 10.12.06 14:36 UTC
I agree with Blue.  Feed them what you feel is best for you and your dogs.  Asking for opinions based on what you've said will just start a bun fight.
- By maisiemum [gb] Date 10.12.06 18:16 UTC
Just wanted a bit of advice based on other people's experiences regarding dog food that's all!
- By Jeangenie [gb] Date 10.12.06 18:49 UTC
The best dog food is what suits your dogs, your lifestyle and your pocket. :)
- By HuskyGal Date 10.12.06 18:48 UTC
Im afraid my sweet, it will matter not a jot what folks opinions are... :D
What will be the deciding factor will be your dogs, sorry to state the obvious ;) but its true, all dogs differ even same breed.
  Some dogs get too lean on Burns and scavange other do very well, some have very loose motions on JWB other do not. I found Wafcol Salmon&Potato fabulous when I used Kibble for a short time, but others didnt. When living in the States I used 'Timberwolf' which is now available in the UK (put it in search on here there was a thread recently)
My mother swears by Arden grange and her dogs (whippets) do very well on it and the condition of her elder whippet is fantastic and she doesnt supplement at all.

you'll hear good and bad from everyone and eventually it'll all balance out, and you'll still be spoilt for choice! so ultimately it'll be a case of just having to see what suits your dogs.
What breed are they?
Can I ask why you've changed from Burns? we may be able to give a suggestion of more compatible alternatives if theres a specific reason.
:)
- By maisiemum [gb] Date 10.12.06 23:34 UTC
It was a friend who recommended Eaglepack and who said that Burns was too low in meat/too high in carbs.  Looked at Eaglepack and JWB seemed comparable and more easily available.  I have two dogs: JRTs (more or less!)  The younger dog (1 1/4) is of a slighter build and very light - the older bitch (3) is stockier and more prone to weight gain around her tummy.  I have looked at Timberwolf and Arden Grange, but was a little concerned about the high protein.  During my bitch's puppy training, the lady said that higher protein made dogs hyper.  I am so confused at the moment as I want the very best for my dogs (and cats) and there are so many mixed messages it is hard to know where to go.  I was happy with Burns, but a little concerned about putting some weight on my younger dog who is naturally lean anyway.  I want to stick to the Naturediet as an evening feed as they both love it and I am not convinced that a dry diet is totally the way to go.  I have looked at BARF and RMB but I am not entirely convinced although there are elements that I do like. 
- By CherylS Date 11.12.06 00:18 UTC
My dog is fed JWB and does very well on it.  As it is a complete food she needs nothing to supplement her diet, however, I enjoy treating her with food scraps and raw fruit and veg.  I adjust her food intake according to the look of her (size) to ensure that she doesn't get fat. 
- By Ktee [us] Date 11.12.06 00:29 UTC

>that Burns was too low in meat/too high in carbs.


I fully agree.If you look at Mr Burns Q and A section of the dog mag he works for,you will find that his blanket answer to every single health and nutrition question is a high grain,low protein and fat diet :mad: :confused: :rolleyes:

>Looked at Eaglepack and JWB seemed comparable and more easily available.


Eaglepack holistic has meat as their first ingredients,JWB does not,eaglepack has something like 40% meat,jwb has 26%.so not quite comparable :)

>I have looked at Timberwolf and Arden Grange, but was a little concerned about the high protein.  During my bitch's puppy training, the lady said that higher protein made dogs hyper.


Meat diets have a relatively high protein content,the average raw food diet is around 35% protein.Highly digestible,high protein is your dogs friend,not his enemy ;) Unless ofcourse you have a kidney compromised dog,and even then they need highly digestable protein. I think that the high protein makes dogs hyper is a myth.Take a look at the high colour/sugar pet foods around nowadays,now if anything they would be sending dogs loopy,and even then this cant be proven.Energy in,energy out,dogs that dont get enough mental and physical stimulation are hyper.
- By goldsoverign [gb] Date 04.01.07 17:22 UTC
I feed all my dogs on James Wellbeloved and I would never change it!! It is great, my dogs are very fit and healthy, there coats are shiny and there behaviour is very consistant, e.g they don't have mad moments!!! JWB is gr8:cool:
- By bagpipe [gb] Date 24.01.07 14:47 UTC
I feed a raw diet and it's the best I have ever started doing regards foods.  My dog is 18 months old now (have her since she is eight weeks).   She is a Springer, so an active dog, but by no means hyper.  One good walk a day and she is the sleeping beauty for the rest of the day.  Once somebody gave me a bag of Baker treats, my poor pup was so restless and hyper on it, it was terrible, she tried to lie down and as something would have stinged her she stood up again and rushed round the furniture like mad, it took her hours to settle.   Needless to say, I never finished the packet.
- By nestle [gb] Date 23.01.07 21:17 UTC
Hi. Before I say anything, I am no expert. But I would say that I used to feed Europa. For years. Then I discovered Burns. My Weim x GSD bitch had a wiry coat. Since burns she is smooth and shiny. I have fed it for two years. I too will not feed JWB due to principles as i wont feed Eucanuba. ~I also have a Rhodesian. She has never been fed on anything else. The rescue JRT x is doing well too. I havnt explored other avenues so I cannot coment.
Regards.
:confused:
- By ginastarr [ie] Date 26.01.07 22:23 UTC
i started my tt bitch on hills science plan as recommended by the vet i wanted to put her on burns but was persuaded kept her on that till last april and changed her to royal canin as a lhasa apso breeder and tibetan terrier breeder recommended it lasted 1 month as she was scratcing all the time as it was to high in protein  and changed her to JWB and she is thriving as is my TT dog and the itching has stopped

Georgina
- By STARRYEYES Date 27.01.07 10:22 UTC Edited 27.01.07 10:27 UTC
I will not feed JWB ...one of my dogs coat changed and produced a nasty rash on her belly (within days of changing her food) she then had blood in her p** .The vet was more interested in what I fed her and the rash when I told her JWB she insisted I take her and my other dogs off it immediately as she had see this before from dogs fed on this food .
I changed back to Nutro but do give fresh chicken and lamb with some fruit  (always fed Nutro but found it more difficult to purchase) I now have it delivered and my dogs are healthy and skin & coat in VGC.
I do realise that this food suits some dogs and lots of people are very happy with it

Roni
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