Someone I know has just bought 2 dogs.A male and a female.They are half brother and sister (same mum different dads) and they found out yesterdaythat the bitch is in whelp.After contacting the original owner they have found out that they didn't know as the bitch wasn't due in season until December.The male is the father of the soon due puppies as they are certain she has had no contact with any other dogs. What they want to know is,even though the dogs are half brother and sister can the pups be registered?? Both dogs are brilliant examples of the breed and have done well in the show ring and after a scan today the bitch is carrying 3 pups which the owner will place with family members. So will they be able to register the pups.They aren't bothered if they cant as they will have homes for them regardless but if the pups turn out like their parents they would like to be able to show. Thanks in advance. Sarah
Its not ideal really but they didn't want to spay her with her being so close to whelping as the pups are fully grown.Vet thinks she will whelp within the next 7 days.
She will be spayed afterwards though. I didn't think they could be registered with them sharing the same mum Thanks again Sarah.
They should really get the pups DNA tested (and the parents, of course!) to prove that they were indeed sired by the brother. Registration forms need the stud dog owner to confirm when the mating took place, and because nobody witnessed it they can't be certain that the sire's who they think it is!
Ditto what JG has said he pups MUST be DNA tested. When you fill in and sign that KC litter registration form I believe either the owner or the stud dog owner are supposed to have witnessed the mating.
Just for information there are no prohibited pairings (brother sister, parent offspring etc) any two of the opposite sex of the same breed who are registered can have registered offspring, as long as the bitch is not below a year or over 8 years and neither parent has endorsements on the papers preventing registration.
No, there's no ban on registering such puppies. In fact most breeds are developed from just such matings!
By Val Date 08.11.06 08:18 UTC
It's a very useful plan for experienced breeders who understand the history behind the lines that they are dealing with and know what they are doing. :)
Just tell them NOT to rely on numbers told after a scan! I was once told 3 or 4 and the bitch had 10, a friend of mine was told 2 and her bitch had 10!