Hi All,

I am the artist formerley known as AkitaLee

Anyhoo - from my first litter I kept a really wonderful bitch back. She is everything I adore in the Akita. She has true Inu markings and real American bulk ...

I love her. Mia.

The mother of the pup is Suki. Mia has just turned one and Suki is hitting 3 1/2.

Anyway they're both in season right now so as you can imagine it's horrendous for us, and the Dog.

We have pens outside so are able to seperate the bitches in the garden and leave the male in the house (constant urine all over the place :rolleyes:)

The bitches keep kicking off, though it seems to be the Suki (Mum) 90% of the time starting it.

And it's not pretty. I had a large bill last Friday because mum ruptured a blood vessel and tore fatty tissue in daughters front leg.

It's very startling as Suki is afraid of everything and everyone, such a timid and placcid dog, it's unreal that she could behave in this way???

And they're not 'spare of the moment' scraps either ... you can see all day something is brewing, the way they attend eachothers' every move, always aware of where the other is, sly 'looks back' when one walks past another ..... u can SEE something is going to happen.

Most of the time I can pre empt it and tell them off and seperate them.

But things came to a head this morning. Mioa was sitting getting a stroke off my partner with her BACK to her mum, Suki. Suki just stormed in and started tearing at the damaged leg??? There were no signs, no nothing! Mia was not even looking!

MI feel guilty because I gave her one hell of smacking, but this cannot carry on. Mia is constantly treading on eggshells, screaming like a baby when she is attacked for no reason, it's bullying !!!!

Anyway I was bitten on the finger today, and it's quite a mess. I need help for the safety of all, and before I do something stupid in my next frustration.

Mia and Suki are the friendliest dogs you'd ever come across. I just don't get it?

This isn't an unheard-of situation with bitches, I'm afraid, especially entire ones. Once they take a scunner to each other they never forget, and usually the only remedy is to rehome one of them, if you can't keep them permanently separate - ie, one in the house and one in a kennel.

Akita's are known for not being tolerant of the same sex, so this is not unexpected at all.  There are numerous breeds where you cannot keep more than one of each sex, and sometimes they have to be only dogs too.

I see that they've been falling out before being in season?
http://www.champdogsforum.co.uk/cgi-bin/board/topic_show.pl?pid=724350;hl=;hlm=and#pid724350

It's not unusual for Mother and daughter not to get on, especially in your breed.  The only Akita breeder that I know personally keeps all her bitches seperately, her dogs seperately and in a completely different area.  She also won't sell a puppy to anyone who already has another dog.

:-( Poor you.  I can but agree with all the other fellow CD'ers who have posted, it is a real shame, I have no doubt that they are the friendliest dogs you'd ever come across.

But that looks as though it will now be apart, not together.

Suki is obviously the Alpha bitch, living with an entire dog and another in season bitch, daughter or not she is not looking too kindly upon. Mia is now her competition and she wants to see her off. I doubt it would be safe for them to be together anymore. Suki will want to put Mia in her place at every given opportunity, some breeds this does not matter so much and growls and teeth baring are enough with no real harm is done, but in other breeds it can be leathal they don't mess about with warnings they just want the other bitch gone.

Akita's unfortunately are one of these breeds, you need eyes in the back of your head from now on, I'm glad that you can keep them seperate, you will need to. Don't be fooled by them getting on ocassionally and looking as though everything is ok, it's easy to be lulled into a faulse security, Suki will go for her again and when she does it may not have a happy ending. :-( It's best to be safe from now on instead of sorry.

It can happen in even the dog friendliest breeds too. I've always had a mixed sex pack of mostly entire IWs and deerhounds and never had a cross word between them until about 10 years ago. Then two 3yo sisters who had always been the best of friends took a scunner to each other. One was quite a bit bigger than the other so they quickly fell into  bully and bullied mode, with the smaller hound becoming a mental wreck and the bigger beginning to try to bully other pack members. We tried absolutely everything with them, but at the heels of the hunt we were going to have a dead or badly injured smaller hound, and the change in the two dogs' personalities was becoming very marked. So we re-homed the larger more dominant hound with her half-brother. She settled in well and immediately returned to her previous gentle, dog friendly self. It took the smaller hound a bit longer to get her confidence and joie de vivre back, but she did in full measure.