Can someone tell me in laymans terms what a pup/dog has to get to qualify for Crufts? This is for showing not obedience. Thanks. :-)

Qualification rules.
In most breeds a puppy needs to come 1st, 2nd or 3rd in Minor Puppy, Puppy or Junior classes at a Championship Show where Challenge Certificates are on offer for the breed. The other qualifying classes are Post Graduate, Limit, Open and Veteran.

at a Championship Show where Challenge Certificates are on offer for the breed.

A friend and I were having this conversation the other day with a well known judge who looked really shocked when we pointed something out to him.  We realised that when there is a single CC on offer for a breed there's nothing to say if you've qualified or not - all the qualification notes are in the plural (where CCs are on offer).  Now obviously the CC and Reserve CC winner qualify but we did point out that the rest needs to be clarified.

Debs

Thanks for the speedy replies. I did go on to the new website of the KC and found the answer there. But interesting about the Challenge certificates. :-)

Interesting point Debs...but I've never seen a show where they only offered one CC for a breed - like just a dog CC but no bitch one? Does that ever happen???

There's several breeds now that have single CC shows.  I guess it's because of the numerically small entry.  My breed (Pharaohs) has had one CC on offer at both East of England and Darlington this year - next year it's WELKS aswell.  The CC is given to the BOB winner and the Reserve goes to either the BOS or one of the dogs only beaten by the CC winner, be that dog or bitch.  So the judge awards Best and reserve best of sex in both sexes, then, let's say the BOB is a male, he gets the CC and the reserve is chosen from the reserve best dog or the best bitch.

I'm really not sure about it yet.  I've given both single CC shows this year a miss.  I think the judge would have to be a good bet for me to bother travelling miles.

Debs

Blimey, not showing anymore I didn't realise that. It makes it even harder then to make up a champion. For example in borzois the dog almost always gets BOB, so it would be ridiculously hard to make up a bitch under those conditions - even a really good bitch if there was a really good male campaigned at the same time. The logic of it fails me, the judge has the option to withold the ticket if they don't think it's deserved, no need for a single ticket I would have thought?

Yesterday at Darlington Malinois had just a single CC -and the last show with tickets until Crufts. :rolleyes: It was extremely exciting as we only got tickets this year and BD abn BB both went to dogs with TWO tickets each! There were so far only one Champion in the breed, a male. Now we knew that whoever got BOB would become a Champion. I was very much rooting for the bitch as she is my Ripley's litter sister. :) The bitch got it.:) So she also became the first Champion bitch.

Now that is exciting :D  Wouldn't it have been lovely though if two new champions had been made up. Very well done to them both, congratulations to the first bitch champion :)

It would have been so nice if there had been 2 tickets and 2 new Champions -in fact somebody who was saying exactly that who happened to stand right next to me and watch was none other than our ChampDogs TERI! :)

If there is just one CC on offer then that will still qualify just the same as if there were 2 CCs on offer for the breed, no difference at all. It single CC status is only for breeds that get low entries and only at certain shows, the thinking was that better to leave a breed that has very few shows where they can win a CC to keep the same number of shows where there is at leats a CC on offer rather than cut one out totally - as numbers meant a CC reduction. At least it migh help with the geographical spread, keeping a northern and southern show rather than loose one is farer to more people.

So not likely to happen in Borzois, although I seem to remember some v big winning Borzoi bitches wjo not only won BOB regularly but also groups. Surely judges at this level go for the best not the one with the biggest coat?

Yes, I agree the discussion isn't actually about borzois, and yes there have been a few bitches that consistently won over dogs and also group wins and B.I.S - the wonderful Ch.Colhugh Caminickers being a prime example. Still I think it's unfair to just have one CC on offer, for example (and again using borzois as a model) this year a quick look through fossdata and higham shows that 10 different dogs have won BOB, some on more than one occasion, and only 4 bitches, therfore under the same rules some lovely bitches would find it very hard to be made up.

Back to the topic in hand I think it's a real shame in Mals that two animals with 2 CCs each, each already deemed the best of their sex on the day, had to fight it out for one CC. Given the choice I would rather have one less show and a fairer allocation of CCs.

Just my opinion, and as I don't show anymore my opinion doesn't really count :)

It would have been lovely if it had all been thought out for each individual breed but in my breed's case it obviously hasn't.  Our CCs are all north of Birmingham bar one set (and the vast majority of exhibitors are down south) and the single CCs have been given to shows (bar one) that used to get a fairly decent entry.  At Darlington there were just eight Pharaohs competing... EIGHT!  Now that might have been the judge or it might have been the single CC but that's a horendously small number to complete for a CC - they'd have been better off without them IMO.

Debs

Ok now that I know what I have to get to qualify can anyone tell me where to look for a complete list of shows coming up. Thanks :-)

<a class='url' href='http://www.prodogs.co.uk'>http://www.prodogs.co.uk</a> or
<a class='url' href='http://fossedata.co.uk'>http://fossedata.co.uk</a> or
<a class='url' href='http://www.dog.biz'>http://www.dog.biz</a>
or <a class='url' href='http://www.highampress.co.uk'>http://www.highampress.co.uk</a>

and also get Dog World and/or Our Dogs dog papers!

Happy Reading and Happy showing!

Rach