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Topic Dog Boards / Health / Low hip score
- By silverdog [in] Date 04.09.06 10:43 UTC
Hi I just wanted to share my joy that my dog has just had his hips score results back and they are 0:0
I am really thrilled.
Rachel
- By bek [gb] Date 04.09.06 10:53 UTC
thats fantastic news bet your thrilled:cool:
- By Lily Mc [gb] Date 04.09.06 11:05 UTC
Congrats Rachel, I dream of that! :D

M.
- By perrodeagua [gb] Date 04.09.06 16:14 UTC
This also something that I've also only ever dreamed of.  So far my three girls have produced two 10's and one 13!  Maybe one day :d :d 
- By Goldmali Date 04.09.06 17:29 UTC
WOW !!!!!!!!!!!!! :D :D :D
- By silverdog [gb] Date 04.09.06 18:02 UTC
Its brilliant isint it. For a start the vets rang to tell me as they have never had a 0:0 before. I was so pleased I did a loud yahoo down the phone line and most likely blasted the poor girls ears out. It seems funny to see at the top of the green sheet 0:0 then a z line and 0:0 at the bottom. I should have it framed!
Thanks for your kind comments its nice to share it with someone.
Rachel
- By ridgielover Date 04.09.06 18:13 UTC
I am really pleased for you, Rachel.  The lowest I've had with mine is a 0:2 and a 1:1.
- By goldiegirl [gb] Date 05.09.06 20:04 UTC
Hi Rachel, great news, I  had my boy scored back in February and got a phone call from the vet saying his score was 0/0, like you I whooped down the phone to the vet and rang everyone i could think of, its such a feeling to get a low score, but to get the best score is unbeatable. Well done, wot breed? mine is a Flat Coat.
- By Missie Date 05.09.06 20:07 UTC
I think she has weimaraners :)

Excellent score :)
- By kite1st [gb] Date 05.09.06 20:31 UTC
hi rachel, congratulations!! we know how you feel we had our boy scored 2 years ago and our vet rang us at 6.45 am one morning really excited ( he couldnt wait for a decent time!!!) telling us that his score was 0/0 and said that he had been practicing for almost 40 years and had never had a 0/0! in some way i think he was more excited than us but probably not! good luck with his progeny and i hope these scores are passed down to many generation to come.
- By Moonmaiden Date 06.09.06 07:12 UTC
Brillaint & if the genetic part is good yes it will pass down, my GSD with the 0:0=0 score was an improver for hips everyone of his scored puppies were better than their mothers by quite a good amount & their offspring also proved to be improvers too

Being a polygenetic disorder not all 0 scored dogs/bitches are improvers, at least that is what Malcolm Willis told me

Echo was Jill Read's first 0 score
- By silverdog [gb] Date 06.09.06 09:09 UTC
Yes I have Weimaraners.

His mother has a 1:1 hip score, and his grandad has a 1:0 hip score, and on his mothers side going back their was a 0:0 hip score.

I am asked why do you have such low hip scores. 

My bitches sister has a bit higher score 3:2 but then thats what her mother was too.  Still its low at 5.

I have been asked do you not exercise your dogs?  Ha ha how ridiculous, can anyone imadgine not taking out a Weimaraner!!
We have paddocks which the dogs love to run in like mad things, they jump fences, they go to the mountains, and we take them out all over the place.   So they get lots of exercise.  But the one thing I try not to do is over exercise a young puppy under 6 months.  We take it steady.

Anyway thanks for all the replies.  I just had to share it.
Rachel
- By JoFlatcoat (Moderator) [gb] Date 06.09.06 10:21 UTC
We were delighted to have a 0:0 with our Daisy recently:-)

Looking at various pedigrees with his scores through the generations, 0:0 certainly doesn't produce 0:0 next generation, though., even when mated to a low scoring dog.

I was talking at the Game Fair to Jeff Sampson (the geneticist on the Kennel Club stand).   He quoted the case of the (Swedish?) Police Force who tried to breed GSD's all with 0:0 hips, together.   After about 3 generations, they had dogs who no longer looked like GSD's.     Don't think we should go down this path when choosing a mating.

Personally, when a dog has really proved itself, be it working, showing or whatever, I would attempt to balance the best and worst of its attributes with those of its mate, and not become besotted with any one aspect.   Particularly so if that aspect was of polygenic inheritance, because try as you might, that is always going to be in your breed, and you will not get it out, with the genetic knowledge we have at present.

Jo and  the Casblaidd Flatcoats
- By perrodeagua [gb] Date 09.09.06 16:06 UTC
Well as many of you know I used an import recently of my breed.  He had an excellent score in Spain and other dogs that have had the same score have had low BVA scores over here so I felt that I had no worries.  I've used him and other people have, luckily on low scoring bitches and his BVA score came back as 41 :eek:  My vet, the Spanish vets, breeders who were there when he was x-rayed in Spain are still shocked by his BVA score as am I !

He was a heavily worked dog in Spain, has the most fantastic character that you could wish for and in my eyes has improved the breed in this country.  His few litters that have been born over here are wonderful in looks and most of them have temperaments that are better than many in this country.

Now his pups are at an age where they can be scored.  Four have been scored so far with scores of 7, 8, 13 and my dogs litter sister has just had a score of 10.

I do not regret using him.  His pups in Europe have about a 90% low score success and people over there also say that the temperament has improved with his lines being there.

As Jeff Sampson says a dog is not just a pair of hips and I think many people have to be careful of this too!  Hopefully in future generations we will be able to use low scoring dogs, of which we do now in reality, but as has been stated we need to ensure that the true character of the breed is kept and that we don't totally change the breeds that we originally fell in love with.
Topic Dog Boards / Health / Low hip score

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