Yes i know this is an ongoing topic but i am looking for help the answer is probably very simple but i can't see it.  I lost my Darling Cavalier this year and to try to stop the tears my Husband readily agreed to getting another one as we work a Puppy was out of the question so i spoke to a breeder in Lincoln who had a bitch nearly two who had not come on as expected so needed to be rehomed she had quiet a few problems but as we had taken on Charlie with a few behavioural problems we felt confident with Cindyloo. To be honest she is a lot better than we expected but has an ongoing problem with her house training.  While at the breeders she was not walked outdoors so she does ot associate walks with toilet and saves it till we get home.  Also she was cage trained by the breeder but i don't want to carry this on as i personally don't like them but although she will happily go into the garden to pee and poo and gets a lot of praise for that on occasion even if the door is open she will go in the back room even though she has been outside and also if she can gain access to the back bedroom she use to wee on the bed in there so we got rid of the bed but now she wees on the floor. If she is left in the kitchen while we are out or the bedroom while we sleep she will not make a mess at all but even if she pees outside in the morning she may still come in and go in the backroom any ideas we keep vaxing the backroom to get rid of the scent.

I'm afraid you are going to have to go right back to basics here. :( You don't say how long you have had her, nor how long this has been going on for. If she is used to being crated, and didn't mess in there, then I would use this to start with. It is something she is used to and you have upset her routine. Not only by removing her from her home, but by taking away the place she feels safe in. Make sure that she can't get into any other room when you are home and keep a very close eye on her so that you will see when she is going to 'go' :) I know you say that you don't like crates, but she will feel at home there. I only use my crates when I have to (bitch in season, entire male in the house :D) and my dogs absolutely love their crates. They even go in when they don't need to, if the crates are set up. They are there for the safety of the dog, not as a punishment. ;)

>>>>While at the breeders she was not walked outdoors<<<

what? not ever????

Until she is absolutely reliable the only option is to restrict the area she is free to move around in the house.

As you have found she won't mess close to where she sees as her bed, so the kitchen is excellent.  Only let her in other rooms strictly supervised, and then straight out to the kitchen when you can't give full attention.

This is where the crates are useful, but alternatively you can use a baby gate on the kitchen door so she isn't totally excluded.

Hi,
Just an idea, but how about putting some puppy pads outside in the place where you want her to 'go'? And don't forget to use lots of praise whenever she does it outside, and a special word for it? It's all about time, patience and repetition, repetition, repetition...
Also, you could cover the kitchen floor with newspaper, and praise her every time she does it on the paper; over time, remove the paper furthest from the door, until you put the newspaper just outside the door.
Good luck.

Also, you could cover the kitchen floor with newspaper, and praise her every time she does it on the paper; over time, remove the paper furthest from the door, until you put the newspaper just outside the doo

Unfortunately that would reinforce it being ok to toilet indoors

Like the others have written back to basics & treat her like a puppy

Hi thanks for answers, to anwer questions no Cindy was never walked outdoors by her breeder who was quite shocked to find i was walking her out doors.  When we picked her up we were given a box of anti histamines (sorry not sure how to spell that ) and told to feed her one an hour before her meal to make her eat as she wouldn't eat when put back in to the cage by the breeder  she eats perfectly well here without tablets . I am concerned she spent to much time in the cage and does not look at it as a place to feel safe this was reinforced when she was groomed she reacted very badly to being put in a cage and it was easier allowing her the run of the shop. Because of her little accidents she cannot have the run of the house when I am out so she is put in the kitchen with a baby gate but only settles if my other dog is with her he is perfectly house trained and could be allowed to run free in the house but Cindy needs company.  We have had Cindy since Easter and nothing she does will result in her leaving us we adore her but it would be nice to give her free run in the house if i am running to the corner shop she doesn't go in the kitchen she has free run and seems a lot happier.

I remember retraining a 6 year old cocker spaniel and it was a question of going right back to basics. For sure, puppy pads and newspaper tends to make the job well nigh impossible since, as said ealier, it just reinforces the message that the house is an OK place to pee and poo in! I didn't and don't use a crate but I do ensure that unreliable dogs are confined to the kitchen. Although as it happens, I've never allowed any dog (no matter how reliable!) the free run of the house when I'm out and my dogs seem very happy with the security offered by the cosy and comfortable area they are restricted to.

When I first got my rescue dog she wasn't house trained at all! We had a couple of accidents and I soon realised I would have to go back to basics and treat her exactly as you would a new puppy (as everyone on here has been saying). To begin with she would not go in the garden at all, I had to take her to a nearby field, (whatever the weather!), but gradually with lots of praise and rewards and taking her out regularly I got her to toilet when I asked her to, (have a wee / get busy are the commands I use) and then re-introduced her to the garden and started the process all over again. She's now got a regular routine and I can trust her completely. I adore Cavaliers and am sure you will get there with her, it just takes a lot of patience.

could it be possible that she has been punished in one way or another before you got her for going inside, and therefore she is sneaking off to wee in a secret place, so you do not find it? have you thought about trying a double ended lead, attached to her and attached to you, so she cant sneak off?

Ooooh, thats just what i was going to suggest and if that is impossible then in from the garden and straight in the kitchen (where she dosen't wee). Then straight into the garden ect... I had lots of toileting probs, but got there in the end with patience (and some screaming) LOL
Good luck
Aly xx

That is a great idea Keisha I can't thankyou enough I will pick up a lead tomorrow She knows she is wrong and so doesn't want it found even though i have never punished your thoughts could be right on the ball.  There have been a number of times when i have looked up to notice she is not in the room and just got out in time to have to clean up. as she is my shadow when i am at home she rarely leaves my side this is a great idea thanks

I agree, left Free to roam the house they are more likely to be barking at the doorbell, people passing the house etc, and free to get over excited by outside stimulus.

confined to the kitchen they settle to sleep as with radio on they can't hear too much outside and can't see out.