Hi
I'm looking for some new whitening tips.  At the moment I'm using chalk blokes, which are ok, but tend to wear off quickley.  I only use whitening products on their socks and muzzle.

Chalk Blokes hehehe.  Sorry !  Chalk Blocks

There, I was going to ask where you get one of them if they didn't make too much mess and didn't answer back! :D

Don't think you could find a bloke that doesn't make a mess :rolleyes:

I was hoping that you could point me in the right direction! :D

Any ideas on what to use?  Chalk wise

Do you use the chalk block on damp fur the morning of the show?

No I use it just before we go into the ring.  I have Boxers, so I only do their muzzle and socks.  I've seen people using white tear sticks on the muzzle and boot polish on their nose!

Try wetting the muzzle and legs one morning and rubbing in the chalk (I actually prefer loose chalk to the block) then buff with a dry cloth in a couple of hours, as though you were ready to go into the ring, and see if it works better. :D

Of course you realise that KC rules state that water is the only substance allowed in the coat while the dog's in the ring. Anything else is cheating, and means you could be disqualified. ;)

Absolutely.  That's why you buff it all out before you go in the ring! :D
You're allowed to clean but it must all be removed. ;)

Yep, chalk is not allowed to be used!!!!!  Though there again as previously mentioned on here a chalked dog won BIS at a champ show earlier this year and the owner had chalk all over him :d

Is talcum powder allowed:rolleyes:

I ask, because at the champ shows we always seem to be benched beside the OES - and if you chance to wear black trousers, they can be powdered with white by the time you get into the ring with an Aussie :D

Similarly at open shows - the smell of Harmony Hairspray around the poodles always makes me sneeze :D :D

Margot ;)

Nope.  Should all be removed! :D

Not that I've ever used it but how does one remove hairspray??  surely it stays in the coat till its washed??

Judges should be tougher. When showing cats, if any cat is found with talcum powder in its coat it is immediately disqualified.

Just how it should be. Anything other than the honest truth is cheating.

I have never ever used anything on my dogs other than water on my Pomeranian's!  Has anyone been around the Shih Tzu rings?  One person I know has straightening irons and all sorts that she puts on her dogs !!!

Though in Spain they put mascara and everything on some of their breeds over there.

This is why I'm so glad that I now have my Spanish, just wash and go :d

Have you been around the Poodle grooming areas, cans of spray are flung all about the place!

They don't call it "laquer"anymore it "Coat holding"spray :rolleyes:

Do you think the fishermen of the olden days put "coat holding spray" in their working Poodle's coats ? :d  I just don't understand why they do it, surely if the coat doesn't do something naturally then it shouldn't be put that way

Funny:)   You know the cans of Harmony Hair spray that I've seen around the rings aren't called "coat holding sprays" :D :D:D

i think more and more people are turning  a blind eye to everything like colouring, and using mascara to hide a pink nose, to chalking, and talc, and hairspray etc etc,
people know the rules but break them because they can the kc can't be every where all of the time and they know what goes on:rolleyes: at shows and until the kc make a stand against it why should others.
i know it is against the rules but why should i put my money down to make a complaint when the kc knows all this goes on, they can even see it in some of the pictures taken of winning dogs when the owners black trousers are covered in chalk,
maybe it is about time people who let the dogs be natural took the kc to task over this matter and see what their reply is, that is if you got one
carolann

Official complaints can only be made at the show, not afterwards using photographic evidence! Everyone who turns a blind eye to cheating is encouraging it. It seems not many people have enough courage or integrity to make a stand ... :(

don't you have to be in the same breed or maybe the same stakes class as them to complain though - seem to remember that you do hav eto be in competition with them??? If this is the case it explains why there are no complaints - they're all at it!

You could well be right, Chaumsong; that seems to ring a bell with me too. It's down to the judges to refuse to place dogs that have artificial substances in their coats then.

Or perhaps all BoB winners (and reserves, in case of disqualification) should automatically have their coats tested?

Not if it is a breach of the KC Rules & Regs & reported to the Show Exective, who can then take the matter to the KC F(B)3.78.5 refers in this case

LOL  they actually have huge cans of stuff with "coat holding spray" on their grooming tables & a couple of years back at Driffield I had the misfortune to be near some mini schnauzer people. I put my new body warmer with a picture of a BC working sheep on the back on top of my grooming table, when I came to move it & put one of my dogs on the table my coat was ruined covered in chalk spray & "Coat holding"spray & it wouldn't come out, apparently the Mini Schnauzers had been liberally chalked & then spray with the Coat stuff & the mix had adhered like glue to my coat, when I challenged the woman spraying her dog I was told to "F***off & mind my own business" I took her number & sent her the bill for a new coat with the rider if she didn't I would be getting the stuff on my coat analysed & the results & a complaint sent to the KC-I got the money by return of post !

Good for you, MM! That's the sort of thing that's needed, rather than everyone tutting about it but doing nowt. A few strong-willed judges refusing to be browbeaten into going over sticky, chalky dogs and automatically placing them at the end of the line, withholding places if the whole class is comprised of cheats, and we might see an improvement.

Unfortunately as many people are getting away with it others are jumping on the bandwagon to 'even things up' :(   Crufts was a real eyeopener, some of the foreign dogs in our breed were nothing but chalk when they went into the ring

We were benched near the Bullterriers in one show and there was so much chalk being flung around I got covered, my dog got covered, and I was worried about being disqualified despite not having used any :rolleyes:

At crufts no less than 17 people were disqulified for using products on there dogs, officials were walking round all day on utlilty day , most of them had poodles and some spitz, and akitas were caught spraying dogs before they went in the ring.
We were  in the bulldog ring and poodles are always next to us, now i am not saying that people don't use chalk on bullies but the poodles are spraying all the time and it is always stifling in our corner.
And before anyone points it out , i know it sounds like i am aiming it all a poodle people , it's just that they are the ones we are benched next to a crufts.

Peanuts

How unhealthy must it be for the poor dogs who have to breath in all that chalk and hairspray! :( I have to kick my dogs out of the bathroom if i use hairspray,and i only use a couple of short sprays,and then i have to wait a good minute before i leave the bathroom because the "after effect fumes" still affect them!If i let them stay in they sneeze,honk and sometimes reverse sneeze.
I feel so sorry for those poor dogs who have to put up with this crap for the sake of the show ring

Here Here!!!

Peanuts

I think this is a very touchy subject.  I only use a small ammount of chalk which is use to clean the white area on the muzzel and the socks.  I don't plaster my dogs in it.  This is then brushed out/buffed before going into the show ring.  I totally agree against the plastering of all these products.  I opened this subject in hope to find something that would whiten as in shampoos.

Hi Reesy,

I don't have a breed which needs whitening but Plush Puppy have some very good products so the shampoo here http://www.plushpuppy.co.uk/main_plushpuppy_uk.html may help.  Go into products on the main menu and then bathing / shampoos on the drop down menu at the top of the page.

regards, Teri :)

Hi..sorry to jumpin so late!....on my beagles i wash their white bits in a black shampoo for horses.............it actually goes on blue but the after effects are a stunning dazzling white, petcetera also do ring 5 black out shampoo its great on black or white coats but you get twice as much horse one and it goes further too for the same money!
Pauline

I remember in the 60s and 70s before this rule came into being. The Terrier people, (Airedales, Welsh, Lakelands etc, used to use something called wood flour, which was very fine sawdust. mixed with wallpaper paste to make the legs of their dogs fluff up. Ughh.