i ave just registured my litter using online registration and just wanted to say how quick and easy it was, i have had all k.c documents back since saturday so it was all done within a week(you have to have kennel name/affix to do this).was just wondering had any one else used this service and how did they find it.

I've used it, I was also shocked to see how many owners haven't sent the documents back for change of ownership!

As I give other puppy insurance I find less than half the owners transfer the pups to their names, other breeders who only give the KC puppy Insurance find they do transfer as they have to to get the Insurance.

Do you get to see all your previous registrations then?  I would be curious to know how many dogs the Kennel Club think I still own, must be a good thirty..

yes - I used it too and was very good - I knew how many pups from previous litters were still in my name (not too many) as I check the BRS just to make sure that no transfers have been done that I dont know about, but what I found really interesting was the drop down screen with the colours to choose from!! Some really weird ones - I dont know if the choice is breed specific which I hope it is, but was really surprised with some of the available ones...

Have you a link to it, or is it only available if you're acturally registering? I'd be interested to see how many dogs I'm supposed to still own!

Was just thinking the same as yourself Jeangenie, would be very interesting to know how many have actually changed ownership over the years.

I've done it this afternoon :)  Register here, you have to own an affix, and they will get back to you within 5 working days.  They replied to me about an hour later!  When you log on all the dogs that are registered in your name pop up   Turns out I still own two of my puppies :o

Wow, aren't they fast at sending out login details? I still own a few of my sold puppies too.

M.

LOL! The only people who haven't transferred ownership are the stud dog owners with their stud fee puppy! :D :D

Well just got mine through, and it shows me as owning 23 dogs, but not the one I own in partnership.

I actually own only three, plus the two that are deceased.

I am actually a bit embarrassed to say that i don't understand KC rules all that well. We register with FCI and it obviously works in a completely different way.
Before breeding our dogs have to pass some "test" to be approved for breeding. When your dog is approved you find appropriate male/female and send all the info to our local FCI club. When the litter is born you notify the club and an FCI agent comes over and checks the litter. He writes down puppy names and when old enough he tattooed them (we only tattoo pedigree/registered dogs). Pedigrees are sent to the breeder shortly and the part where it says owner is actually blank and filled in by the breeder once he knows who the owner is.

How does it work in UK?

In the UK as long as both parents are the same breed and both KC registered (with no endorsements banning the registering of their offspring), and the bitch is between 12 months and 8 years old at the time of whelping, the litter can be registered.

Bitch now has to be 12 months at the date of mating, rathen than the date of whelping, I believe Jan.

M.

Yes, you're right. :)

The restrictions on registration are:

1. Breeding and Sale of Dogs Act (seek advice from your local authority)
2. The dam has already whelped six litters, or
3. The dam has already reached the age of eight years at the date of whelping, or
4. The dam was under 12 months of age at the date of mating.
5. If either the dam or sire are endorsed with progeny not eligible for registration (i.e. that there is a restriction on file at the Kennel Club that prevents any puppies from being registered).

Bet there were a few people caught by that one when it changed.

M.

There are no checks and no qualifications, (that is why there are so many pedigree dogs of poor breeding that bear only passing resemblance to their breed and some may not even be purebred)the only thing that needs to happen is for both parents to be the same breed and KC registered and a form to be signed by the stud owner confirming the mating. 

The bitch owner (breeder) fills out the form with the chosen names pays the fee per pup, and receives the registration certificates as the breeder and owner of each pup.

When you sell a puppy you sign the transfer part of the form, and the new owner is supposed to send it off to KC with another fee to get it into their name.  Many pet owners don't bother as it has nothing to do with legal ownership.

With the sheer numbers bred each year the KC would need an army of people checking litters (though personally I think it would be a good thing).

I am going to try and find out how many puppies of all breeds are registered each year.

Oh man, I never thought it was that easy...... I'm quite happy with FCI then. But if nobody checks, how does KC know whether the 2 dogs that are going to be bred are in fact good representatives of the breed? Because what is the point of registration then? In my country registration gives you a guarantee that the pup you are buying comes from 2 parents who had all the health tests done and are typical representatives of a certain breed....... if not you could buy pretty much any dog from any breeder and wouldn't make a difference! ;)

>But if nobody checks, how does KC know whether the 2 dogs that are going to be bred are in fact good representatives of the breed?

Basically they don't!  Nor, TBH, must they care or the registration system would be a lot tighter than it currently is.  Of course they've now launched the "Accredited Breeder Scheme" but it's had very mixed reviews from genuinely dedicated breeders and IMO is just a token gesture by our KC towards encouraging the general public to buy from breeders on their list. 

A KC registered dog will not necessarily bear much resemblance to it's breed if it's from a long line of pet market bred or puppy farmed stock :(

Going off at a bit of a tangent, does anyone know if the registration system has changed in Switzerland since the mid 70s? A bitch from my first litter was exported there and her new owner told me (when I mentioned that the pup was from a litter of 10) that registering a liter that size was impossible in Switzerland. The maximum (at the time) was eight per litter - and if, when the registration people came to check them, they found that the litter was larger, they wouldn't register any of them. 8 was the maximum a bitch was allowed to rear. :(

Yes it has changed..... it was like that all over Europe back then, but it's al changed now. You can register as many pups as you want!

"The maximum (at the time) was eight per litter - and if, when the registration people came to check them, they found that the litter was larger, they wouldn't register any of them.  8 was the maximum a bitch was allowed to rear. "

....hardly dare ask - what was one supposed to do with any excess !

Nothing, they didn't get the papers . They were usually given away to people......

No, Ory; they were culled at birth. :( That's why I'm glad you say the rules have changed. :)

I have heard of people talking about it, but I think it's more of a myth than anything else. I have never heard of anyone actually killing the pups because there were too many. They would hide them when the FCI agent came and then secretly give them away, but killing..... well perhaps some, but that happens all over the world every day. People from "civilized" and slightly less civilized countries killing dogs, pups, cats, bears, even humans and don't feel any remorse whatsoever. How many horror stories have you heard around your area in the last 10 years?

It definitely wasn't a myth, Ory. Even today large litters are often culled, but not to get numbers down to an 'official' figure to enable registration. I know people who, because their breed isn't a 'popular' one, cut the litter size according to their waiting list.

Is that in Switzerland? Cause I surely never heard of it here in Slovenia. i've heard of some "backward" farmers killing unwanted litters years back, but never ever heard of breeders doing it. And believe me, nothing can be kept a secret in my tiny country ;).

The culling for numbers was in Switzerland. The culling to waiting list size is nowadays in the UK, to ensure every puppy is a wanted puppy.

I know that this goes on in some of the large sight hound breeds,a and to be honest it is a kinder and more responsible thing to do than have pups without the prospect of a home.

Thankfully I have never had huge litters and in fact have averaged just under 6 pups a litter having had 3, several fours, an sevens and a nine.

Oh Ory how I agree, and sadly the general public assume the same, KC registered to them means a mark of quality, not just that the animal is from two parents that were registered as that breed out of two parents who were of that breed out of two parents that were of that breed, and the last time any of them were a decent specimen was 6 generations ago.

Of course when you look at a pedigree in your breed when your 'in' dogs you know which is a good one and which are the pet bred for many generations with no knowledge by the breeders of a breed standard.

So basically in UK you have to be really, really careful even when buying registered pups. You have to buy it from a person that shows his dogs and you have to make sure that both parents were health checked and if you're still not sure you have to insist to do the blood tests to make sure both parents are in fact your pup's parents....... oh man, that quite a job! LOL

It doesn't work like that in all FCI countries obviously, as it does not in Sweden. You do have to have the relevant tests done, which varies accordiing to breed, but you do not get anybody visiting to check the pups.

I guess it depends on the country ;) ....but I definitely trust Scandinavian breeders the most for some reason. They seem to follow the rules and most breeders do respect all the rules.

Well that has really annoyed me i only rang the kennel club myself a few weeks ago asking if they done an online service regarding registering pups as i was sure i had seen it some where before,the woman told me in no uncertain terms that there was no such facility to register pups online and it had to be done via the form 1 as they needed the breeders signiture,i accepted it as i thought really it made sense but now it seems i've been left in the dark.......i have an affix,so in future i will make sure i speak to someone who actually knows what there talking about :rolleyes:

Not sure if I've read this right but you can register a litter of puppies online if you are the breeder, if you are registering change of ownership then you have to send in the form with the breeders' signature.
:)

I think in countries with a much lower registered dog population you have people inspecting the litters (I know they did this in Poland, but the pedigree dog world was tiny after the collapse of communism).

Just looked on the Kennel club website and it says they register more than 200,000 puppies a year.  Assuming an average litter size across all breeds as 6 this gives well over 32,000 litters a year, or around 3000 litters a month.  there is no way the KC could have enough inspectors to visit breeders for 750 litters each week.  That would need 50 people visiting two breeders a day every day.

I guess it's not easy, but they should have some sort of requirements for dogs to be able to produce registered litters. Just the fact that the stud and the bitch were KC reg. shouldn't be enough...... every pup will be registered, but it doesn't mean that it's appropriate for breeding. That's why I like our system which forces us to go to asses our dogs by official FCI judge who then stamps your pedigree (if your dog is in fact a good representative of the breed). We had a lovely Labrador bitch at one point but she was refused for breeding. I was a child and don't remember what was wrong with her, but at least I trust the system. It means that they're actually doing their job!

In Sweden they have just started a rule that all Spanish have to be hipscored, shame that it doesn't happen here and even more so that all Spanish should be eye tested for glaucoma!

I got my details back this morning to login, so went into the k.c. site and I see I own 3 puppies from two previous litters, owners not changed registration docs.    Now I know I own more than that, because, if I have rehomed older dogs in the past (due to bereavement) I still have their reg docs. Also one of my sons has a westie I own and she is not listed either.   So where in the system have these dogs disappeared to ????? Not even going to ask k.c. so just shows that the system is not showing up these older dogs.

I wonder if bitches, at least, are only shown up to 8 years old ie breedable.

Nope - my Clover (nearly 14) and Beattie (11) are shown on there. It says it's a list of all registered dogs in your ownership and with your affix.

Well, blow me I'm stumped then :)  Teething troubles I suppose.

I've just registered & they have my older dogs(two of whom are no longer with us)as being owned by me but not the two younger ones

I emailed & sent them Rjj's details & got a very nice reply saying they would look into it

As it's really at a sort of Beta stage(Affix holders only can use the online reg)I would think they are still developing it

Can you register even if you don't have any litters due to be registered soon? (I won't have another for AT LEAST 2 years.) Is it just normal registrations or can you do working trials reg too?

It's for Kennel Name holders to register litters at this time, but I can see that all registrations will be done this way in the end

I registered even though I don't even own a bitch at present & I also registered in the partnership I have with a friend, agani we don't own any bitches but the registration went through ok

BTW it only showed me owning my late BC's not Rjj I sent an e mail & got a nice reply & sent them Rjj's details & they have added him

The partnership registration didn't show up Lou either so I will send his details so see if they add them as well

I'm pretty impressed at the speed they replied

Thanks MM,I'll give it a go then. :)

I've also just done a litter registration today - one name bounced, sent another back and that's it - within an hour they were all approved and registered.

How good is that? :D

M.

i found it really good, someone old told me it would take 3 weeks to get it all back so thats when i decided to do it online i got documents back within the week so all my pup were registered before they were 2 weeks (they are 2 weeks today)

yesterday i recived through the post a book called treasures of the kennel club and a letter thanking me for registuring my first online litter, and to accept the book as a token of thanks for participating in this exciting new venture.

As the owner of the stud dog for the litter I registered (which I did on behalf of the friend who bred them, with him looking over my shoulder), I've received a letter today saying that a litter has been registered by our stud, in case there are any issues with this.

Certainly seems a positive system to me.

M.