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Topic Dog Boards / Breeding / looking for bulldog puppy (locked)
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- By stacey 2 [gb] Date 02.07.06 16:22 UTC
hi is there any bulldog breeders out there with a litter ready now or that are due to be born thanks
- By Dawn-R Date 02.07.06 16:27 UTC
Hi Stacey, there are 34 litters on the kennel club puppy sales list right now.

Dawn R.
- By stacey 2 [gb] Date 02.07.06 16:29 UTC
thanks do you know the actual site address please
- By Dawn-R Date 02.07.06 16:30 UTC
www.the-kennel-club.org.uk

Dawn R.
- By calmstorm Date 02.07.06 16:43 UTC
Wouldnt it be better to do as others advise here, and go through the breed clubs for a puppy? With so many litters for sale, it must be a bit of a mine field out there, dont they have health problems that need to be tested for? If you check out the buldog site here on CD you will see all the clubs contact details.

Good Luck! :)
- By stacey 2 [gb] Date 02.07.06 17:08 UTC
thank  you verry much
- By Val [gb] Date 02.07.06 17:43 UTC
There are so many poor quality pets being bred in this breed, I wouldn't consider buying a puppy unless it was from successful parents who's lines were healthy.  It's worth waiting for a quality puppy from experienced breeders from lines that you can check out, especially if you're thinking about breeding from it. ;)
- By Blue Date 02.07.06 19:49 UTC
See the price of the Bull dog puppy is mentioned in the dog world this week, next week will be interesting in the reply from readers and breeders into the very high shocking price of them.  People keep saying it is because they are hard to breed and not many .. every list I see is full of them ;-)
- By stacey 2 [gb] Date 02.07.06 21:32 UTC
i was looking at the sites and people were advertizing to buy a bulldog puppy for the rediculous price ranging from 150  to 800pounds what a cheek theyve no hope if you want this breed you have to pay for it
- By Blue Date 02.07.06 21:43 UTC
Stacey perhaps £150 is ridiculous for a well bred anything BUT £800 is not. £800 is more than reasonable for a quality bred pet. 

People can only charge what people will pay. You pay £2000 then people will continue to ask for it.  I think it is mass distruction of a breed.

There is no evidence to back up these silly prices.   My breed only has on average of 4 puppies pet prices range from £450-£600 depending on the area Bulldogs average is far greater than this.

Now I don't think that my breed prices should go up at all I think they are fine as they are but people charging huge prices for pet puppies as far as I am concerned is nothing but greed. Just because others do it doesn't make it right.

Well that is my take on it.  To cherish and preserve a breed takes more that hiking the prices it.   :rolleyes:
- By MollMoo Date 05.07.06 22:35 UTC
All about supply and demand,high prices will remain,people will continue to pay them. They are not any harder to rear than any other breed,other breeds are also prone to ceasarian sections but we dont pay £2000 for them.  They are also in my opinion not classed as the rare breed they once were,theres loads of bulldogs about you can buy bulldogs 10 a penny they are becoming as popular to own as a staffy.
- By Brainless [gb] Date 06.07.06 21:34 UTC
The Kennel Club registration figures show them as far from rare.
- By charlie72 [gb] Date 07.07.06 08:59 UTC
Isn't it a case though of "pet" breeders charging ridiculous amounts and the "responsible" breeders have no choice but to sell theirs comparable  to that the price? I have read that if responsible breeders charged a more sensible price people would be inclined to buy them just to sell on :eek: I apreciate that good breeders will have a vetting system in place but it can't be 100% ?

I have a boxer and have had a few "ugly" comments.I just laugh and say he 's proberbly thinking that about you ;)
- By stacey 2 [gb] Date 02.07.06 21:29 UTC
yes i would like my dog to have a litter so she would have a good pedigree and be healthy ive read what to look for in their comformation  ect. and if its from a breeder they could hopefully give me some good advice on this breed as ive never had a bulldog before
- By carolyn Date 02.07.06 18:52 UTC
Stacey email or PM me and I will give you a few numbers of people with pups.
- By Lokis mum [gb] Date 02.07.06 21:41 UTC
Stacey, please make sure that you check that anyone with puppies is a member of the breed society - there will be lots of people out there who will tell you "oh I don't bother with the breed society - its just for people who want to show" or "its too cliquey and all the members are so full of themselves they are up their own backsides" - but it is the only way you have of ensuring that the breeders are actually doing what they should do - and are policing each other!

Margot
- By stacey 2 [gb] Date 02.07.06 21:55 UTC
thanks for your advice, but if i went to a registered breeder wha have a pedigree with good blood lines and maybe the odd champ in their would that mean that they are ok
- By Blue Date 03.07.06 10:13 UTC
It would be worth finding out why they are registered, is it because of the number of dogs they have OR is it because of the number of litters they are breeding and are they breed club members.

I always ask the question why was this litter bred the answers to this would help satisfy me as to the breeders suitability..   Why was the sire choosen etc.
- By Jeangenie [gb] Date 03.07.06 10:16 UTC
What do you mean by a 'registered breeder'?
- By trekkiemo [gb] Date 03.07.06 12:17 UTC
I think blue means KC registered breeder.I would still ask all the other questions Blue stated as its not policed enough yet .
- By Jeangenie [gb] Date 03.07.06 12:37 UTC
The KC doesn't 'register' breeders though ;) ... there's their 'Accredited Breeder' scheme, or there's the council's lincenced breeder scheme, but that's mainly for commercial breeders - not the ideal people to go to.
- By Val [gb] Date 03.07.06 12:39 UTC
Some people think that just having an affix means that the breeder is 'registered' - also not a guide to finding a knowledgable breeder! :(
As OP has thoughts about breeding, I feel that there is a lot more research to be done.  Maybe a couple of years visiting shows before deciding that are 'good lines'? :)  It's very easy to bullsh*t people who don't know any different - eg"I've been in the breed for 2 years". :(
- By stacey 2 [gb] Date 03.07.06 14:38 UTC
hi everyone thanks for your replys i dont know a lot about all of this. my mumused to breed and show dogs when i was younger but didnt get into all of that when i was young so what do i ask the breeder when i go as far as registered ect
- By trekkiemo [gb] Date 03.07.06 13:18 UTC
I stand corrected that is what I ment to say.It`s a minefield out there when you want a pup no matter what breed ,firstly you need to know EVERYTHING  about breed and take advice .If we haven`t frightened the poster off getting a pup ,good luck .
- By husky [ca] Date 04.07.06 10:02 UTC
Would just like to say that ANYONE can advertise on the KC puppy list, it is no guarantee of quality. PLEASE go through the breed clubs to find a puppy, and DON"T believe that the more expensive the dog, the better the quality, it is often the other way round in dogs. Bulldogs are such a rip-off.
- By Brainless [gb] Date 04.07.06 10:12 UTC
Wonder what response the letter in dog World will get that asks why the breed is so over priced?
- By Blue Date 04.07.06 14:26 UTC
Wonder what response the letter in dog World will get that asks why the breed is so over priced?

Can't wait to read it :-)  should be very interesting.
- By louzola [gb] Date 06.07.06 11:29 UTC
its a minefield because of the so called blooming pet breeders that just want to cash in!!!
thats where the poor quality comes in , us genuine bully lovers/breeders only breed to get a couple for ourselves to show,
my litter of two has just cost me £1500 to get and i used very healthy stud too and i intend keeping them both so for a lot of us its not for the cash , as for them being ugly i should take a good long look at yourself madam!!!
how dare you , a dog lover loves all dogs so dont go slating ours off , would you like it?
the fact is they are harder to rear than other breeds , not just because of the c sections either, and i have a few bullies and not one has any health problems , they breath , play in the garden , go for walks , travel well and enjoy socialising , what you dont know dont chat s... about!!!
- By trekkiemo [gb] Date 06.07.06 13:31 UTC
Louzola you replied to me READ what I WROTE AGAIN I didn`t criticise bulldogs or price I said it was a minefield out there for any breed of puppy .It took me over 6 months just to find a breeder who would have a puppy I wanted  and also is there for me if needed.He guided me back into the breed I grew up with.We are now friends.
- By calmstorm Date 04.07.06 10:48 UTC
Not all though JG, the top breeder of my breed of dog breeds a lot more than 4 litters a year, so must be council licensed, I would think a lot of the 'big' show kennels are the same, but they would be classed as very reputable breeders. Would the difference be the fact they work or show, and breed club membership be the difference here? between the commercial breeder I mean :)
- By Jeangenie [gb] Date 04.07.06 12:16 UTC
In my breed I know that even people with well-known, successful affixes are looked at dubiously if they breed more than 3 litters a year. Perhaps it's different in other breeds.
- By Brainless [gb] Date 04.07.06 12:20 UTC Edited 04.07.06 12:22 UTC
No one in my breed would normally breed more than two litters per year, mostly one or less. 

None of our breeders breed enough to require to be licensed yet can produce excellent dogs year after year, that can win groups including three at Crufts in recent years.

I can safely say that most own four to six dogs and bitches, and only one or two keep a dozen or so.

Maybe because they aren't a very saleable/popular breed breeders concentrate on quality not quantity to get the dogs in the Ring they want/need.
- By calmstorm Date 04.07.06 13:12 UTC
This kennel is the 'crem de la crem' of their breed, their dogs are in 'everyones' pedigree, they are successful every year at crufts, champ show judges, and their own bred dogs are lovely, fantastic temp etc. They make wonderful pets, as well as working and show. I just feel they can't be the only ones, and it seems, to me, a shame to tar these sort of breeders/exhibitors with the others. Just my honest opinion. :)
- By Isabel Date 04.07.06 13:23 UTC
I think it will vary breed to breed.  In my breed, which is very much more common than most, there are several highly respected breeders whose lines are much in demand for showing and blood lines both here and abroad that produce several litters a year.  Of course it is also a very popular breed with the less reputable breeders as well so very much a case of buyer beware :(  with the breed club being the best possible resource for avoiding them but I would not make any assumptions on the fact they were registered breeders without looking at them closer.
- By spanishwaterdog [gb] Date 04.07.06 13:57 UTC
Just because someone shows etc. does not mean that they breed for the best of the breed.  I would be very cautious if a breeder wasn't a member of a breed club and would ask why????????

I'm actually shocked by how many show kennels breed from bitches younger than advised by breed clubs etc. and without health tests that breed clubs stipulate.

Ask around, if you get all good replies you know that they are good, if you get a few dubious replies or people who would rather not comment on the breeder then I wouldn't go there.
- By zoiangel [gb] Date 05.07.06 16:29 UTC
Bulldog prices are rediculous. Especially when they have so many health problems. Someone has recently bought thier bulldog puppy into the boarding kennels i work at and said he paid £1500 for it! The parents couldn't even mate, he said the dog had to be held and someone else had to 'stick it in the bitch'! Bulldogs are a disgrace in my opoinion, if they can't even mate, why breed them, they can't give birth, what can they do, and to me they look disgusting.

Their noses are so pushed in their head between their eyes, massive head with a over wide over wide apart front legs, tiny backend, horrible undershot jaw that has gone too far, and the big fat wrinkle of skin across the nose, bulldogs should be bred how they were years ago, no way could they do the job they were bred for now, every breed should still be capable of doing what they were bred for and most can't, dogs are being ruined, purely for looks.
- By carolyn Date 05.07.06 16:50 UTC
OHH bugger..............someone forgot to tell my bulldogs that they should have so many
health problems.
Ive had a quick word with them and they actually think there are some disgusting looking humans too
but they have more manners than to be so rude.

Helping to "stick it in" actually happens in other breeds and novice dogs.

Loads of breeds cant do they job they were bred for.

£1500 will hopefully the best well spent money if they get the joy and love I get from my bulldogs.
- By scarymary [gb] Date 05.07.06 17:42 UTC
that is just your opinion,would you like it if someone called you discusting, bulldogs are a wonderful breed with a great personality,and if people want to spend £1500 or over on one then thats their buisness,i personaly think they are worth every penny ,remind me never to take one of my dog to the boarding kennels you work in if thats how you talk about the dogs you care for .
- By louzola [gb] Date 06.07.06 12:14 UTC
well you cant help the way you ook can you!!!
are your dogs superior then , get off your high horse mrs:rolleyes:
- By peanuts [gb] Date 06.07.06 14:33 UTC Edited 06.07.06 14:36 UTC
Zoiangel , Just for your information incase you have not realised it yet bulbaiting is illlegal so you are quite right when you say bulldogs can't do the job that they were oringinally bred for thats why they are in the utility group as most breeds there no longer have a working function that is still around today , and what do you mean they can't give birth , yes it is true lots of bulldogs have to have them out by op , but no more than frenchies, pekes etc infact there are a lot of man made breeds out there that do this , and it is down to the dedication and experiance of people that love there breeds that keep then going and do the best for them they can.
How dare you attack a breed that you have no experiance in, and wind up everyone that cares for this lovely breed.
Of course bulldog people are going to take offence at your outburst of rubbish.
What breed do you have , how would you like it if i publicly took the mick out of your breed that i may know nothing about.
Please keep you opinions to yourself as your inexperiance shows.

Peanuts
- By louzola [gb] Date 06.07.06 20:37 UTC
thankyou very much peanut:cool:
very much appreciated
- By peanuts [gb] Date 06.07.06 22:07 UTC
My pleasure :cool:

Peanuts
- By peanuts [gb] Date 06.07.06 07:28 UTC
The top breeders in bulldogs produces over 200 litters per year and they the ones that set the prices and everyone follows.
No i must admit that i don,t personlly agree with it but there is nothing anyone can say or do about it, it has been that way for decades.

Peanuts
- By Lily Mc [gb] Date 06.07.06 08:14 UTC
200 litters? REALLY 200 litters?!!! How is that even possible?

Bet the taxman loves them.

M.
- By Lily Mc [gb] Date 06.07.06 08:16 UTC
Hoping that was a typo and you mean 20 ... and that would be bad enough.

With the amount of puppies advertised, I have no idea how the price remains that high.

M.
- By Jeangenie [gb] Date 06.07.06 08:16 UTC
That means they must have 200 breeding bitches! That's even bigger than most regular commercial breeders! :eek:
- By Lily Mc [gb] Date 06.07.06 08:21 UTC
As I say, Jan, hoping it's a typo. Can't begin to imagine the breeding establishment that would have that amount of dogs. :eek: Guess you'd be looking at nearer 300 dogs, allowing for youngsters/studs, etc. Don't suppose there'd be any oldies on the premises though.

M.
- By spanishwaterdog [gb] Date 06.07.06 08:23 UTC
I think that means top breeders as a group, not one breeder :confused:  Well I think that's what she meant!
- By carolyn Date 06.07.06 08:32 UTC
The top breeder doesnt produce 200 litters a year,I get the BRS each quarter and there is no
way they do even 1/4 of that each year.

They have several well bred stud dogs so there are a good few pups by their dogs.
- By spanishwaterdog [gb] Date 06.07.06 09:31 UTC
I'd better tell my friend with BB's that her dogs aren't the norm and shouldn't be running around and enjoying the good weather!!!

Some people, I don't know.  Yes the breed can have problems as do all dogs be them crosses or pedigrees.  Same as we human beings can also!
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