hope phillipa will come in on this, or any one,brother has nice bitch,greyhound,whippet,bedlinton.she as i said not a bad bitch, bruv would like a bit more on the rear end,he has bought whippet pup to think about using on her, pup k.c reg,coursing lines,not very good specieman of breed,main concern is that bitch would not take to pup, she is very much a loner, even when worked prefers to work alone rather than pair,she is quite bidable to a certain extent but then will snap at pup and my bitch if she is here ,i have whippet pup with me.how would this bitch be towards a litter if she had one, thanks tina.p.s personaly feel he should not use that dog as very poor specieman.

Hi Tina
I think you need *Super Phil* on this one. But if you don't think the whippet is v.good then advise against it. Perhaps Philippa may know a Lurcher in your brothers area that would be more suitable as a boyfriend for his Lurcher bitch and more likely to build up behind, if that's what he's looking to do.
Nicky

Hi there, a few more questions are neccessary before I may be able to offer any advice. Does your brother want to breed for a particular purpose ie Lurchers to show or work. If working, what is he aiming to hunt, rabbit, hare, etc? As for how she would be with her pups, I feel its in the lap of the gods. Most Lurchers make just as good mums as any other type of dog, and although she may not like the pup too much at present, may well have a totally different attitude to her own babies. I know Lurchers are "technically" classed as mongrels/crossbreeds by the great Joe Public, some of us take our Lurcher breeding seriously, and they are planned and raised with just as much care and forethought as pedigree dogs. However, there are also many Lurcher breeders who will do exactly the opposite, and it is a sad fact of life that there is a huge Lurcher rescue problem. This being the case, imho, your brother should not use the whippet if it is a poor specimen of the breed. I am sure if he can tell me (or sam or sharon) exactly what he is aiming for we would be able to find him a suitable stud dog. Im my opinion, as your brothers Lurcher is already a "three way" cross, I would go for a stud dog that was one of the three breeds his Lurcher is already made up from, depending of course , the type of Lurcher he wants to breed. Of the three, the Greyhound would probably give a more muscular back end, but of course will also give more size. Perhaphs it would pay your brother to buy Countrymans Weekly each week, and he will see many types of Lurcher in there. If you could give us more information, Im sure we will be able to find him something suitable. Just be prepared for a bit of a " come back" on the board. A lot of folk have very strong opinions about breeding Lurchers and mongrels oh here, and we may well get a bit of a telling off :) If you would rather e mail me, my address is
sighthounds@hotmail.com.

Yup, agree with Phillippa.....he must know exactly what he wants his lurcher pups to be bred for, and personally wouldn't bother with anything other than a really cracking dog...there are far too many indifferent lurchers in rescue ( and good ones too!) without the need to add to them. When I have a litter I know exactly what I want from my breeding, and only do so when i am ready for another one myself.

hi sam , thanks for input, bruv is clear on what he wants, say bought whippet pup in norfolk without seeing sire and dam, only pics on web site,he had photo copies of peds, told him dogs were not line bred and he could end up with anything, bruv not taking his own advice here and carried on regardless, came very close to cracking him on the jaw i can tell you.wasted a lot of money on a dog that is only pet quality and white to the bargain. regards tina

hi phillipa and all,
thanks for advice,he does work his bitch and very good on hare and rabbit,does show her as hobby mainly west country, wales etc, my concern as you have answered was would bitch be o.k as mother if he did decide to breed a litter,how close do you go with regards lurcher breeding, nice dog he goes out with would complement her,and is of same breeding, millies dams sisters son,has bought c.m and field for many years and i had only a quick glance at your bit as he was off out,can't remember millies breeder on tip of tongue, he had a spread back along in the field,don't worry will make sure he breeds to good dog, he has been for warned that if he intends to use this pup in future i sever all ties with him and he knows i mean it.not to worried about getting back lash allready getting that on another thread reg. g.s.d very touchy subject.more info when you get sight hound project off ground please, i have whippet that i show and is doing very nicely res at hound show rough 18-20 pup bitch in class, same at bournmouth, also had trial on the lure and very very promising,very focused, may give her run out with millie later on, thanks for all in put, tina

Soooooooo, if I have worked it out properly, it would be a niece/nephew mating, which is quite acceptable in Lurchers. However, if it were my bitch, I would not mate her to another "three way mix " Lurcher, but a pure bred dog. I feel sure that a greyhound would give a better back end, but as mentioned previously, would also give size. Next choice of the three for me would be a whippet, and thirdly the bedlington. Nothing against Bedlingtons at all, as I have one myself, I just feel for the bitch that he has got a greyhound would be the best choice, for what he wants to do. Im sure Sam will have an input on this too. My sighthound project is just a case of waiting for the bitches to come inseason and my working beardie to be old enough, otherwise I have to travel from Essex to Scotland to use a suitable dog. Ironically enough, I have two working beardies literally ten minutes drive from where I live, both totally suitable for my bitch, but the man who owns them wants a £750 stud fee. hahahahahahaha, more like dosnt want the competition. As the pups are likely to sell for about £100, feel he is taking the mickey :)

hi phillipa,
again thanks for, info, if he shows her i think he puts her in rough bitch under 23inch, roughly what would a the three way mating produce, much the same as he has got or a mixture,i think he wants to keep to that size, so with the greyhound would you be looking at size as well,as know in whippetsthere is a lot of big stuff out there and the small fine stuff, will that be the same in greyhounds, as realy shocked when i saw what goes in the show ring as to what is racing stock,the latter part of your post i thought you were extremly polite,agree that lurcher breeding takes just as much carefull and selective breeding as does ped dogs, pro more thought goes in to a good lurcher as you seek to breed the ultimate working dog, speed and stamina.
bruv had lovely deerhound /greyhound in his teens grt worker and did well at shows,he was offered £200 for her some 18 years ago,sadly some b nicked her, never found out what happen to her, regards tina

Hi tina, What a shame about your brothers stolen dog, he must of been very upset. I try locally to keep the fact hidden that I have Lurchers for that very reason, and when I do go out, everything is padlocked and bolted. That is one of the reasons that I bought a male working beardie. As adults they are lovely wih people,but would defend owners and property with their life if neccessary. Im afraid your question about type on a three way cross duplicated mating is not that straight forward to answer. I think you will find that the pups will vary quite a lot
because you will have the genes for double greyhound, double whippet and double bedlington, and its in the lap of the gods what shapes and sizes you will finish up with. However, there are posters on this board who are much more up on genetics than I am, so perhaphs one of those would be able to give you a more definate answer. As you are obviously aware, greyhound heights vary quite a lot, so I would look for a smallish but very well made greyhound, or a very substantial whippet.

hi phillipa,
thanks for all advice and will pass on to bruv,regards tina