Hi,

Was wondering what the general opinion was on people who phone round several breeders and put their names on their list. Is this ok or are they taking up places on lists that other people could have. Supposing your breed averaged approx 6 pups in a litter, all going well, is it right to have maybe 9/10 names down for that litter and some of these names be listed elsewhere. This could mean that the "multiple lister" is high up on a few lists and the "single lister" misses out on the litter that you have.

Hope this makes sense

Thanks

I think I know what you are trying to say! In my experience, it doesn't matter how many people you have your waiting list it is the people who give the deposits that count. (Deposits left ONLY after pups are born too). Lots of people ring to enquire about puppies, so you put them on your list. The bitch has her pups but there are not enough pups to go around or the sex isn't what people wanted. When you ring up the people on your list, I bet the majority have already got fixed with a puppy. When people ring for a puppy, they don't usually want to wait even though it is well worth waiting for a good puppy.

Now I hope you know what I am trying to say!!

I'd never take a deposit as I couldn't change my mind then -if you take a deposit by law you HAVE to sell the pup to that person even if you suddenly discover you don't want to, such as if you find something out about the prospective buyer which makes them unsuitable.

Good point - we've just had a puppy and were surprised the breeder didn't want a deposit, we went to visit him 3 times and asked the breeder if she wanted a deposit and she didn't!

Hearing what you say about taking a deposit and having to then sell the pup, even if you change your mind about prospective buyers.
Makes a lot of sense to me not taking a deposit in that case!

I don't really want to get into a discussion about deposits but I know exactly what you are saying. I took a deposit off a bloke & afterwards I discovered that his life wasn't as he said it would be. I did a home check, well, drove past the house to discover that it didn't have a garden as he had told me he had a large garden, was living in a flat, he told me he was living in a victorian house. He had children that were immaculately presented & were so polite so I thought he couldn't be all bad. After I discovered his living arrangements, I wanted to sent his deposit back but my husband said not to put anything in writing as he would want to sue me. I didn't & thought about the children so decided to go along with them. A few days later, he rang & I explained my worries about the living accommodation & he said he wanted his deposit back. A huge sigh of relief on my part I duly sent it back. Now he wants to sue me for breach of contract! He asked for the deposit back NOT me!

However, in our breed we do take deposits when the pups are born & usually up on their feet, as a lot of buyers do not come for their pups at 8 weeks & then breeders are left with 8 week old pups to sell that perhaps could have been sold to another buyer.

I don't think it matters, because 9 times out of 10 the list you have before the pups are born always changes a lot once they are born anyway. For instance you're never going to be having the exact right number of each sex that people want unless you're REALLY lucky, so it's just a case of putting people's names down and then contacting them once the pups are born to see what's what and work from there.

I've also learnt to my cost it's not a good idea to ever tell people what number they are on the list, as that way you may have a good buyer and the world's most perfect buyer ever, only one pup of the right sex and you'd really like it to go to the perfect buyer, but as you've already told the good one they were first, you can't.

Yes, it is fair, after all they will only buy one pup so the other 9 are none the worse off, as the pups will be viewed by others too.

I very often have someone view who is also viewing another litter, it does not bother me at all, as I believe people should see as many litters as possible, to assess a good breeder, conditions, parents, and the pups themselves, when they come back to you, it always makes me feel really happy that I am doing something right as after viewing 2,3,4, other litters they chose mine. If they don't come back then they wanted something I did not have, (what! I possibly do not know?? :-P) but it does not matter. Some may not return as they do not suit my criteria, if I do not feel them suitable for my pups it also gives me the chance to turn them away.

It is all swings and roundabouts, at the end of the day, both buyer and breeder should check all others  before settling.

Maybe it depends on the breed, as you say if you have people time wasting it's no biggy because others will be along.  In a numerically small breed the number of pups and potential owners is less, and I would be cross if someone was wasting my time and I was passing up good genuine enquiries from someone else as I had too many enquiries.

This is happening with someone who has used my boy recently.  Won't say other things that I've heard.  But I think that some people will be missing out on some very nice pups.  Wish I had the space as I'd definitely have one,  Went to see them on Sunday and they are very cute :d

I think that a puppy is not sold until a deposit is down.

Rachel

My concern was  when people come on to me and I have to say that I feel I have enough names on my list  and don't  think I can help them. I may be turning away an excellent prospective home for a pup because a "multi lister" is sitting somewhere on my list and perhaps another 20.

I do not take deposits either. The only time money changes hands is when the pups are going to their new homes.

i took a deposit for a 6 week old puppy from a lovely couple , last year. however, when i spoke to her 2 weeks later to arrange collection of the puppy, she told me she had bought an 8 week old pup of the same breed a week ago, as she wanted them to grow up together & eventually breed. i posted on here my worries of 2 pups of same age and we all decided i should return the deposit, which i did , with a letter explaining why. i never heard another thing :D

Quite frankly I can't understand why someone would put his name down with more than one breeder. When I'm looking for a new pup I "scan" all the breeders of my chosen breed and check out their dogs pedigrees, check them (the breeders) out as well, check out their dogs and their temperaments and only after that I decide which one I think will be most likely to produce a pup that I'm looking for. That is the time I will put my name on his waiting list and wait patiently for his next litter to be born.....

Unfortunately people are not all like you ory. Once a family decides they want a dog they want it as soon as possible - even if it means they don't get the best dog for them. They probably don't want to wait more that say a month and alot of poeple don't even have a clue what they should be looking for in a pedigree.

As a rule only those looking for a show (and hopefully breeding) animal to improve their current stock will hang on for possibly years waiting for a pup from a particular line. The vast majority just want a pup of a certain breed, and the more knowledgeable will narrow their choice down to a few bloodlines, and see which first produces a pup which catches their eye.

Well as someone who hasn't bred but has collected pups...

I do put my name down on as many breeder's lists as I'm interested in.  Obviously they have to meet my criteria of having a good record for both show and working, and have carried out the necessary health tests, and I have to know the line and want a dog.  Er, well that doesn't usually leave many anyway, but sometimes there are 2 or 3 lists I have my name on.

The reason for this is - I only want a bitch.  What should I do if I put my name down, then only dogs are born?  Or if they're all still born?  Most breeders won't say where people are on the waiting list, so what's to say if I go with one breeder they will actually give us a pup - who knows what the other homes are?  (Although I think we're a pretty ideal home actually, which both show and work!)  If I particularly like more than 1 litter, then I'll put my name down on more than 1 list - because who knows when the next litter I like will come along?  (In my breed anyway).

If breeders don't want to accept deposits, don't want to commit themselves to giving a puppy to a particular person (and I can totally understand why they wouldn't), then the downside of that is that puppy buyers are not going to commit themselves to one breeder either, if there is a choice of equal quality puppies.