Hi can anybody help me locate my labrador's breeder her name is
MRS C S WHALEY
she bred a litter that was born on the 20th of may 2004 from
SIRE JORDANS WARD WONDER
DAM KENMILLONE FOLLOW THE STAR
any help would be great thank you

No affixes so pet bred sarah.  Did you buy her from the breeder as a puppy?

Well, the mum at least is pet bred, with Ken..... as the affix.  What is your bitch called?  Maybe the owner of the bitch took out an affix?  Have you tried any of the breed clubs?

A quick question here.

If a litter has no affix on it and one breeder would you consider it to be pet bred, and if it has a couple / few breeders would you still consider it to be pet bred?  Or would you just assume that it was a co-owned bitch, and that neither breeder decided to put their affix on pet quality puppies, as it would either incur additional expense, or because one of the parties didn't want the other breeder's affix on it?

Im just asking purely out of interest :-)

>neither breeder decided to put their affix on pet quality puppies, as it would either incur additional expense

If the breeder had an affix it wouldn't cost any more to put that on the name. People who wouldn't put an affix onto a pet-quality puppy probably wouldn't bother to register it at all.

I was once told by the KC that if a co-owned bitch has two different owners then unless both owners owned the same affix neither of them could put it on the puppy registration form.

Then because the addition of an affix requires the affix's owner to be identical to the ownership of the puppy, all of the puppies will have to be transferred into one breeders name (a guess at £10 - £12 per pup)

Then all of the puppies will have to have the kennel name added on.  This costs £8 per puppy

This could average at an extra £20 per puppy, and in a large breed I am wondering if there would be any point of paying out an extra £160 - £180 to add their affix to the pet quality puppies (ignoring the one that they kept). 

Especially as this would take far longer to sort out, and it could lead to the papers taking even longer to come back before they can leave with the puppies?

People who wouldn't put an affix onto a pet-quality puppy probably wouldn't bother to register it at all.

Not if the other co-owner (as in the breeder of the bitch) requested that all of the litter were not to be in the other owner's name ;-) ... which can and does happen

When either the puppy or both the parents carry affixes, then there is little doubt that they are pet bred puppies. :(

Do you mean neither (as opposed to either) if so that 100% makes sense, and this would be a good way of me describing such pedigrees to people who are interested in buying a puppy  :-)

Yes, my slip of the fingers. ;)

all that would need to happen would be either the bitch is transfered to one person with an affix before the litter is corn, or a loan of bitch agreement puts her into that ownership for the purposes of the litter.

Unfortunately some breeders I know of with co-owned bitches refuse to do this.

This is because in their eyes they bred the mother (all be it maybe in another co-ownership) and the lines behind her, and thus they bred this litter.  To quote one breeder:

"All that they do is raise my puppy, and their own puppies.  Whereas I am responsible for the generations behind that bitch.  Thus the owner never bred the litter I did."

Because of this they wanted to be the breeder on the KC papers of all of the puppies produced by their co-owned bitches, and they only want their affix on the papers (if they think a puppy will do well in the ring).

Thus if a puppy does well in the ring who do you think gets the credit?  The other co-owner or the person who bred their bitch who already does a lot of winning within their breed.

Anyway I thought I would ask this question out of interest, and because I did wonder whether or not other people were aware that this sort of thing goes on.

Well in this case transferring the bitch to their name, or having loan of bitch for the litter will solve the problem and their affix and name as breeder go on the bitch.

In my own view the person sweating over the pups homing the etc is the breeder, anyone looking at the pedigree will know who was behind establishing the good points in the pups.  I am sure anyone who knows anything doesn't think a person is a wonder breeder breeding their first generation.

JG One of the top people in our breed....well the top breeder, has just got a puppy from a litter out of a pet bitch.   The puppy has no affix at the begining of the KC name but that doesn't mean it's was bred as a pet.  No doubt she will breed this bitch is all goes well and to plan.  But that deffiently won't be a pet bred litter!

I never said that all dogs without affixes were pet-bred. I was pointing out that, if a breeder had an affix they'd put it on the pup's name - if it was pet-quality and they didn't want their affix associated with it they probably wouldn't register it at all, rather than omit the affix; and they certainly wouldn't leave off the affix because of financial reasons, because it costs no more to have the affix on ...

Sorry JG I somehow when Had it in my mind you had said that but it was Val....

Please except my apologies..... :D

No probs! :) :)

Of course you're right Rox.:)  VERY occassionally a breeder will put a quality bitch into a pet home and the owner will later have a litter by a quality stud dog.  These pups will have no affix but still be bred from quality lines and would certainly have a valuable pedigree, especially if the stud dog was chosen by the bitch's breeder who would know the lines.

More often though, no affix means that a pet bitch has been bred to a dog up the road and the pups produced bear little resemblance to their breed standard.:(

In this case, the bitch's Grandsire is a FTCH mated to another bitch with no affix, so in this case, I would still consider this a pet bred pedigree.

If the maternal line (in particular) is a series of non-affixed bitches I'd consider it a 'pet' line. Of course these can produce the occasional quality individual. :)

What is your bitch's registered name?

(And did you ever find out what was wrong with Ellie when she started screaming? I can't find a post where you found out what was wrong. How is she now?)

Hi thanks for all the replys sorry im unsure what an affix is could anybody explain? my labradors pedigree name is MAY SANDY ROSE no i didnt buy her from the breeders i bought her when she was 8 months old from a couple and would love to know more about her parents? Ellie our springer spaniel as i explained she was sexualy molested by her last owners we still have not found what is wrong with her but she now has stop screaming but is still being funny we cant take her to the vets as she was eat them and gets to upset they have to put her out just to clip her nails dog phys can not do anything we have tired 2 diffrent people who were usless

An affix is a Kennel Name. An exclusive word that signifies a dog came from a particular breeder. A trademark if you like.

Dawn R.

My goodness, there are some sickies about :( Poor girl, its going to take you a heck of a long time and TLC to get her happy and confident again. Have you had her long?

Hi thank you so much for explaining we have had Ellie only a year this summer so not very long you cant cuddle her like a normal dog or talk to her or really touch her hopfully all finger crossed after alot of tlc she will learn to trust us more and come out of it and hopfully forget it all

Sarah - absolutely horrified to see what happened to Ellie.
Bless you for trying to give her love and happiness - hope it works out well.

I am horrified and shocked as well ... poor baby, fingers crossed she gets better one day :-(

Just to go back to the Affix and lack of one.

It does not necessarily mean that a pup without an Affix is not a pedigree or show material, it could simply mean the breeder doesn't have or doesn't want an affix.  I have a dog, without affix and not transferred to mine because of co ownership, who has done well at shows and at Crufts.  She is registered with the kennel club but has no affix and was not given a stand by one by them.

It does not necessarily mean that a pup without an Affix is not a pedigree or show material
However when neither parents have an affix either then the probability is that the dog is from  generations of pet bred dogs.Although this does not mean the pup is not pedigree in most circumstances it will mean that the dog will not be breed standard/show quality
Archer

I can agree with you on that Archer.  If there is no Affix going back past parents and grandparents it is entirely possible that they are destined for the pet market.  But then all my puppies are destined for the pet market first and shown if they show potential

Edited to say

But they all get my Affix

And are I assume bred with the breed standard very much in mind too :D

And with your wonderful advice when the boy was struggling with his task. 

Many thanks Barbara

Ooer canine s*x therapist

A lady I used to see regularly did not have an affix but when she she bred her working labradors would always name the one she was keeping Poldoris then add it's other name. All the other puppies would have a Kennel Club given name or be sold on nameless on the pink slip. When the pink slips were stopped she still carried on doing this but obviously did not sell pups with a pink slip.

Hi  just seen this thread and I have  one of your breed !  Kenmillone is an affix for that breed and I will endeavour to find out further details and PM you .. if this helps !  HS

Hel, I'm afraid 'Kenmillone' is an affix owned by the Kennel Club, and was given to pups of any breed, from any breeder, who didn't have an affix of their own and were registered in (I think) 2001.

LOL

and didn't give any choice of names, or didn't use at least two words in their choices.