I'm not into showing dogs etc... but a friend just passed on a copy of this paper for me to have a nose through!
What really stands out in it for me is the pictures of the BOB dogs on some of the pages. In light of the recent discussions/revelations about the extent of dog thieving to order etc... in the UK - is it really necessary to print the home addresses of these winners for all to take note of????
I'm sure not all of these dogs and owners are breeders and have secure alarmed kennels etc.. but some must surely be ordinary home owners. I may be wrong!
If I did have a show dog who did exceptionally well in the ring I'm damned if I would give permission for my address to be printed. It's nobody elses business!!
It just seems to me that the villains don't have to work too hard to pinpoint quality dogs worth lifting.

ooh, that would be a definite concern of mine, too :( :( Good point.
Perhaps someone will eventually bring it up to the magazine. If the winner wants to be able to be "contacted" for questions/interest, a phone number should suffice vs. the actual address.
It's also a possible method of targeting an empty household during major show seasons for B&E which doesn't necessarily have to be dog related. :(

could not agree more lara ,Also what stops the robbers watching the house
for times when you are going to other show's not only dog people read this paper
although it is all about dogs and shows.

Pat xx

I am a bit confused by the original question - I cant think of any of the papers who publish addresses in winners photo layouts (or even in the write-ups) the only time I have seen addresses/phone numbers are in the exhibitors own ads, promoting the wins themselves. Is this waht you mean?
Gwen

No Gwen, I'm not talking about the advertisements.
The paper who published them with the winners photos is called Dogworld.

Hi Lara, I know the ones you mean :-) I had a look today and most of them did, but one or two didn't, so maybe you are given the option to include your full address?
Maybe Sam might know?
I agree though, I wouldn't want my address published.
I usually only leave my email and phone number for my breed notes too.

Hi, OK, got this weeks Dog world, cant find a single photo whose caption include anymore than owner/handlers name, and dogs details. Which one are you talking about, and I might be able to expalin.
Gwen

Page 52 for starters ;-)

OK, thanks Leigh - this is going to sound terribly conceited, but I have never read the open show BoB pics before! It certainly dosent happen for the Championship shows. Do the open show winners hand the details to the photographer, or does he pick it up from the catalogue - open show winners please help!

Something at the back of my mind suggests that people may have to actually pay for these insertions at the time of the pics being taken (but I could well be completely wrong on this) If this is so, people obviosuly want as much info included for the money as possible! (the BIS pics dont inc. address details, so these are probably the one inc. with the write ups)
Gwen

Thats why I though Sam might know :-)
I think it could be the case, because one or two do not list their full address?

Hi, only just got to the computer today....its been a busy one! Ok, here is how it works. We (thats the Dogworld photographers!) take pics at the shows then when the proofs are sent out to you, a DW form is included so you can advertise your win if you want to. The form asks for details such as name address etc but it is not obligatory to fill in the address & I get quite a few come back to me with "not for publication" inserted.....this will always be honoured. The choice of how much info to give is entirely down to the exhibitor. And no, Gwen, you do not pay for it at the time the pictures are taken.
Sam

lol - copy at the ready??

OK - try page 53, 56, 58, 59, 62. That's what I'm talking about :)

Just talked to a friend, these are actually 'winners ads', on a paid for basis (the caption only are included with the copy by the paper) You have the option to put your address or not. Most people opt to include.
Gwen

Most dogs owners addresses are included in any show catalogue anyway so its the easiest thing in the world for any would be thief to simlpy buy a show catalogue the most informative being the Crufts one.

Well it must just be me then but I think that is unnecessary.
OK if you want to say Joe Bloggs from Bicester, Oxfordshire for example but I don't think you need the house number and street. If you are determined you may be able to find out via electoral role etc... or if people choose not to go ex directory in the phone book but at least that is not quite so 'on a plate'.

Lara ,

I think you may be right in light of a few things. I was suprised at my first show how all your details where in the catalogue on the day, A name and number should be all that is needed.

Pam

I don't understand why you have to have your full address printed in the show catalogue, I personally don't like it and when given the option I opt out of having my telephone number printed. I don't want just anyone being in a position to contact me hence why my number is ex directory. If it is urgent then my breeders affix is very well known and so are her contact details so therefore they could speak to me via her. She wouldn't give out my details but would contact me with theirs.

I think we should be given the option as to whether or not we want our personal details printed. Surely having the area we live in would be suffice for whatever the reason is they need it? I agree with putting our details on the entry form incase the Secretary needs to get in touch though. I have nothing to hide but I do like to be in control of who can and cannot contact me and when! :-) Maybe I'm just a miserable sod :D

Depends on your point of view, I suppose. We pay a small fortune in advertsing each year in the dog press, so it would be absurd for us to object to details being included in a cataloque, but I am all for freedom of choice, and cant think of a valid reason why it is obligatory for your full address details to be printed. However, in the instance at the start of this thread, those people in Dog world had requested the details be printed.
Gwen

As I understand it, it is a KC requirement that addresses are printed in the catalogues.
On the Crufts site a couple of years ago all the BOB winners adress details were printed even whilst they were still at the show!!! ie the Group judging was still underway! I did comment to the KC about this and it hasnt happened since.
Personally I would prefer just phone / email address and a general location such as East Sussex or a city eg Canterbury.

So the people in Dog World were given a choice which is great. I think exhibitor's should be given the choice as to what they do and don't want printing in a catalogue. :-)

If dogs are going to be stolen then I'll be damned if I want to make it any easier than it already appears to be by having my personal details splashed all over the place. Having said that if I were a breeder then I imagine I would want my details printed here and there so that I may be contacted for obvious reasons. It's just a choice would be nice :-)

Clair, Couldn't agree more.
Gwen

When a friend of mine was having problems with her ex, (he would turn up at shows and be really horrible to her or the dogs), he would buy a catalogue. So to stop him finding out her address from the catalogues, she would write on the entry forms that she did not want her address printed, and almost all the shows did support her by not printing her address. I have never liked the idea of my address being in a show catalogue, and would prefer just a phone or email contact.

I'm always quite happy for my address to be in the show catalogue - people would have to be pretty desperate to steal Holly :D

Fiona
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LOL Fiona..

I never used to mind either but can see that it is easy for thieves to steal dogs if we provide the information. There have been a number of dog thefts in my area, and a few years ago a lab bitch and her 2 week litter were stolen. They never were recovered.

I was shocked the first time I read a dog paper to see so much detail give out but in parrots we are parnoid about undesirables learning the location of our avairies. When we advertise our surplus stock we only give out phone numbers and at most areas, personally I've never give out the number or address when advertising my parrots of the avairy location just my home number and if anyone wants to view or buy my stock they have to come to my house or meet me at a show NEVER AT THE AVAIRIES!

In dogs the situation is very different no one in their right mind will meet you somewhere and buy a puppy without viewing a parent and the situation in which that pup has been reared. In parrots we have the advantage of closed rung identification and it's very obvious to even a novice the difference between a genuine handreared bird and a parent reared one.

I do take the precaution of only showing prospective buyers pet puppies if that is what they are looking for, I never show the dogs alone and always warn prospective buyers that the puppies have been microchipped at 6 wks so can be identified early on in life. My friend showed her pommie puppies including the ones she intended to keep back for showing and breeding later, that was on the Tuesday, they were stolen on the saturday whilst they were out at a show and only the 2 top quality pups were taken never to be heard of again as yet.

After the parrots that I've heard have been stolen from very secure electric fenced premsie I firmly beleive there are very few precautions you can take to stop a determined thief, some of these birds have a 3000lb per sq inch pressure capability in their beaks let alone what they can do with their feet and the noise they make when disturbed is deafening but still they get stolen in the dead of night without alarms going off or owners waking up.

I wish someone would steal my parrot...he is obnoxious at best! :D

Sam...what are you like???

First the dogs...then the parrot !! :D :D :D

Natasha