Nanny Knows Best

:rolleyes:

It's rediculous isn't it.  But one thing I don't understand.  If the guy didn't aim at the dog, what were the vets' bills he was offering to pay?

Debs

Sounds to me like he was trying to keep the peace with the neighbour - after all, he could have just shot the dog, but he fired to scare it, so perhaps he was being neighbourly.

What I would like to know is WHO is funding such an over-reaction by the police?! 6 police cars!? When my nan was broken into it warranted one Special police officer turning up 3 days later

> 6 police cars!? When my nan was broken into it warranted one Special police officer turning up 3 days later 

Yes Chloe, but where the TV cameras at your Nans???:rolleyes:

OH was walking the dogs last Saturday with one of our neighbours. They were only in the fields behind our house where quite a few people walk their dogs, particularly at the weekend. They could hear a commotion coming from a small wood nearby "Don't shoot, don't shoot". Suddenly a couple of teenage boys ran out in front of them, one firing a gun at the other Needless to say, OH and neighbour beat a hasty retreat. When, OH got home (just a few minutes later) he rang the police and reported it. Five or ten minutes later he got a phone call from a DI at the police station who questioned OH about what sort of gun it was (OH knows nothing about guns) - they obviously decided that it wasn't serious as no police turned up :(

Daisy

One evening a couple of years ago some of my Boy's pals were up on the nearby hills playing 'wars' (the modern equivalent of Cowboys and Indians) with BB guns, when all of a sudden several police cars turned up with armed police taking aim at them! There had been a report that 'yobs were shooting the sheep'. I don't know who was more relieved when the truth came out, the boys or the police! Cigarettes were offered all round and they all parted on good terms! :D

What are BB guns ??

Daisy

google is your friend :)

Yes - just had a look Who on earth would buy guns ?? Our son was never allowed guns and if anybody gave him one it went in the bin :( I'm amazed that parents would allow their sons to have these :(

Daisy

They're slightly more powerful than spud guns.

Guns are perfectly safe, just like cars are - it's the people using them that are dangerous. If someone's taught how to use them properly there's no danger to anyone. :)

Agreed - I've used a shotgun to shoot clays in the past and have lots of friends who used to shoot - but all in regulated environments. But these guns obviously aren't used 'properly' and can't possibly have any useful purpose :(

Daisy

Like toy pellet guns

Edit to say - my son plays with guns. Dads in the army and he is very proud of him :)

Lol when I was younger it was still PC to play with those cap guns........guess times are a changing

In those days cap guns were great and we all played cowboys and indians :D No-one ever envisaged actually using 'real' guns. However, everything has changed :( Now, there are so many real guns around that is dangerous ground encouraging children to 'play' with guns IMO :(

Daisy

Ahh but BB guns are great at driving away the thieving Magpies in the garden without causing them any long term harm...or would you rather I shoot them properly?? LOL (I DID have a license from my shotgun toting days...time to let it go Dawn, just let it go....the 'Country' knew what they were doing with the banning of all guns...:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:)

Quite right Daisy, stop kids playing with guns and while we're at it ropes, bows and arrows, Dr's and Nurses(in case they turn into Hanibal Lecture!) Operating, water shooters and all the other evil vices in a kids World! LOL :P :P :P

Will someone please tell me what BB GUNS are???????

They are inbetween a pellet gun and a cap gun. Basically they fire out little round white balls as ammo - and if you get right up close to a can you might just manage to knock it off before the pellet runs out of impulsion :D Good fun.

MY balls are YELLA Chloe!!!!! LOL

Ball bearing guns, they fire ball bearings that can give a sting but not much more.

Aaaww....... I had a deprived childhood *sulks*

Which takes us right back to Nanny Knows Best at the top of the thread :D

:( :( It's a shame you find it hilarious :( The only purpose of a gun is to kill. I have no problem with them being used in a controlled environment where the user is instructed in their correct use. Would you encourage children(adults even) being allowed to drive cars without any instruction/test of competence ??

Daisy

Don't think it's that we find it hilarious, but just how times have changed....... my fave toy as a child was my Golliwog........need I say more

I think she means me Liberty....

chill Daisy....I'm just kidding...there are 'legal' uses of weapons, and there are a LOT of other weapons out there...even a car can be a lethal weapon...the trouble is this Country IS turning into a Nanny state and so far it 'aint stopped all the gun crime, muggings, rape of old ladies, feral gangs or burglaries yet has it?? There are far more lethal knives stacked in kitchens all over the UK that gangs carry nowadays, that should be banned...but it's 'hard' to carry one huh? and look at Damilola Taylor...see how 'easy' it was to kill that poor child?? Guns are generally used sensibly by landowners, or people like me that used to shoot, what harm did we do?? How many crimes did we commit?? NONE!!!  Yet OUR rights to freedom and vermin control are taken from us...whilst the gangs or feral youth and criminals STILL carry weapons and mange to buy them?? Where's the justice in that?? The landowner in question was acting WITHIN the law, yet he's the one(the soft target) that is treated like a criminal? :rolleyes:

Yeah!!! and bring back the Golliwog too :D ;)

YEAH and the Golliwog Badges on the back of the Robinsons Jam??!!! YYYAAAAAYYYYY I want one! :P :P :P

> There are far more lethal knives stacked in kitchens all over the UK

Exactly :) But we don't buy them for our children as toys, do we :)

I couldn't agree more about the 'Nanny State' - I just don't see ANY point in people playing with guns :(

Anyway, I've made my point and if people don't understand/agree with it, then that's not my problem :)

Daisy

>I just don't see ANY point in people playing with guns

I don't see any point in taking the car out just for a drive on a Sunday afternoon, rather than using it for a useful purpose!

Neither do I :D :D

Daisy

And yet there's a very real possibility that someone could get seriously injured or even killed as a result of these jaunts ...

Exactly - think of the CO2 emissions ........

Daisy

Nor me, I'd put my ecowarrior badge on if I wasn't busy conducted my, sadly, nonsubliminal anti World Cup campaign :)

The point ....which people appear to have missed by a mile , is that the farmer DIDN'T shoot the dog and yet was arrested by armed police and charged!

The Nanny State gone completely mad ...

This wasn't supposed to be about the rights and wrongs of gun ownership - though if ANYONE should have a gun it should be a farmer!

Oh and Sophie was shot in the face by a BB gun a couple of years ago ..luckily it JUST missed her eye. The problem wasn't the gun, it was the moron using it and his parents

I wonder what the dog owner said to the police though.

He was a 77 year old man .......I doubt he said too much, he was probably in shock

The dog owner, Mel :)  If he was determined to involve the police we don't know how much he might have egged up the threat he felt under in order to be sure of getting their interest.

> "The point ....which people appear to have missed by a mile , is that the farmer DIDN'T shoot the dog and yet was arrested by armed police and charged!"

And it was worrying his livestock which surely means that he was within the law to shoot it....complete madness....and a very sad reflection of the how the law keepers are doing their job !!!

That would be fine Daisy, yet people in this Government have decided that it doesn't MATTER if we're competant! We can't even compete in Gun sports anymore!!! Ask the English Gun Team where they train??

I don't think you are the only one concerned Daisy.  This article is interesting in a particular, I think, regarding the danger of appearing to carry a gun.  Not sure if all the parents allowing these have considered that aspect.  I also read an american report on injuries.  They are rare but are often more catastrophic than other gunshot wounds because of the lightness of the pellet meaning if it gains access to a blood vessel instead of lodging there they are swept along by the blood pressure before causing a clot in the lung or heart.
I don't have any problems with kids playing at wars, cowboys and indians, etc with obviously play items that will encourage a little imagination anything really that gets them out of the house these days ;) but I think these are too near to the real thing and I take your point about possibly encouraging them into a culture of normality for real guns.  I also have no problem in children becoming accustomed to the use of guns in sport and vermin control but that does not involve unsupervised play.

These are favoured by younger teenaged boys and they dont think of the consequences of frightening people, I didn't allow my son one but I
know he went out and about without me! They are so easily taken for real and teenaged boys do alarm older people just by their very being....the consequences in this day and age are obvious to me.

>teenaged boys do alarm older people just by their very being....

And that's totally unfair and is very hurtful to the 99% of them who are perfectly reasonable human beings.

Couldn't agree more... My boys are also rather tall which was a further problem when they were a little younger.

Isabel......Have you got the 'Terminator Golli' badge n we can do swops??

I have no idea what you are on about Liberty but I don't share in your delight in using terms that people find offensive these days.  In some aspects the world has thankfully moved on.

:rolleyes: Oh for heavens sake, serious sense of humour failure here........ get a grip Isabel

so I'd better not talk about our very first black labrador 1957-1970, named after my father's squadron leder's dogs :rolleyes:

Loved the Dam Busters film, or was it Battle of Britain :) but the point is it is not a name you would ever give a dog these days in recognition of the offence we now understand it causes.

Damn good film and a dog with the same name belonged to Guy Gibson as I recall ;)