Would someone be able to point me in the right direction on where I could get Burns from?  Just had a look at PAH website but they don't have it listed and have visited the Burns website but you have to request the information via email.  Basically I am looking at puppy dry food that is lower than 29% protein and Burns has been recommended amongst others but am just looking around at whats available at the moment.
Regards
Kerri :)

your vets may be able to order it in. Or you can order it on the burns website

do you have an animal feed/pet feed place near you?  or even a smaller pet store - some of the smaller local villagey type pet stores stock it remarkably!  I don't know why PAH don't stock it.  Best to email Burns and they can advise if they can supply it direct or where you can get it by you.

Do you have a Jollyes pet store near you? They stock the puppy food and adult food, I believe.

Otherwise, as Rachel has said, ask an independent pet/feed store. They can often do one-off orders from their suppliers for ranges that they don't normally stock.  I have a great little pet shop near me and the owner has been able to source all sorts of stuff for me :)

Kerri you can order it direct from Burns' website: www.burns-pet-nutrition.co.uk

They have an online shop and free delivery if you order a 15kg bag.

I have now requested the email from the burns website and they have sent back a list of places that may sell it locally (not many though :rolleyes:) so its now a case of ringing or visiting them to see if they do it.

Hopefully I am making the right decision in changing Mistys food over to it from Beta.  Unfortunately I cannot get hold of her breeder at the moment but at her puppy class last night it was suggested that I should look into Burns due to the lower protein content or Nutradiet but have heard good things about Burns and I already have some samples but I don't want to start introducing it until I know I can get hold of more! :D

We order direct from Burns(if you live in the North its the Scottish office you want) and it usually comes the next morning :)

I'm confused.  Why would someone recommend either Burns or Naturediet?   Naturediet has a high protein level - Burns has a low protein level.  If you want a lower protein level food Naturediet is definitely not one of them.

Has someone recommended a lower protein food because of hyperactivity?  

What makes you think that Naturediet has got high protein levels?  The packets states ca. 12% and someone who is better in maths than I  worked out that that is about the equivalent to 24% in a dry food. 

Bagpipe,

To compare protein levels in different foods you need to calculate the dry protein level.  You do that by dividing the stated protein level by the food's dry matter content and then multiply by 100.   Maths degree is not required, it's a simple formula.   Protein content/(100 - % moisture in food) x 100

Naturediet contains approximately 75% moisture (water) and therefore the its dry matter content is 25%.   (Wet foods are 75-80%moisture.)

The protein content in Naturediet works out as follows:
10/25x 100 = 40% protein.  (Adult chicken with 10% protein listed on package contents.)
12/25 x 100 = 48% protein.  (Puppy variety at 12% protein listed on package contents.)

You do the same for dry foods.  I believe Burns is 9% moisture content (dry foods generally have 9-10% moisture).  So depending on variety it would work the following for Burns or any food with 9% moisture content:
18.5/91 x 100 = 20% protein (for dry food labeled as containing 18.5% protein and 9% moisture)
20/91 x 100 = 22% protein   (for dry food labeled as containing 20% protein and 9% moisture)
21/91 x 100 = 23% protein   etc.
24/91 x 100 = 26% protein

That's the formula.  Naturediet is a high protein food and much higher in protein to any of the Burns versions and any dry complete foods that I've seen as well.

Trust me, I just went through this with a trainer who recommended I put one of my dogs on a low protein food.  Naturediet was definitely not recommended, for the reason above - it's a high protein food.  

See http://www.mercola.com/2005/mar/2/pet_food_labels.htm for how to calculate dry/wet food protein levels.

I think I got a little confused when I was typing my OP :rolleyes::rolleyes:.  My trainer recommended Burns as Misty's other food is quite high in protein which may explain her hyperness so suggested Burns as it was lower in protein.  She did mention Naturediet but not for me to try but just commenting that she gives a handful of this in with Burns to her dogs.  She mentioned that because of the make up of Burns that some dogs might lose a little weight and she adds a little ND to it to beef it up a little.  I obviously had a "Dunce" day :D :D!  Sorry for the confusion. slaps hands :D

Purely by chance I have found a local shop:) - was visiting a shop nearby and just happened to park outside.  I must drive past nearly every day and I haven't noticed it .  It is a very small shop and she only had a small bag available which I bought :(.  Misty seems to be doing well but is not totally on it yet, about half and half at the moment so too early to tell if it will make a difference but if she does well then I will definitely buy the bigger bags on line - just didn't want to go and bulk buy until I know she is ok with it.

Ah, I c.  :-)  Adding Naturediet to Burns sort of defeats the purpose with regard to protein levels though, doesn't it?  If Burns is not tastey enough or does not have enough kalories by itself you could also try some of the lower protein completes, like James Well Beloved.  JWB will send samples if you ask for them.

Puppies are supposed to by hyper, it goes with the territory.  And some dogs acitivity level is always going to be higher than others - it does not mean anything is wrong with them that needs to be corrected.  I often wonder whether it's the case that for hyper dogs low protein slows them down because they are actually starved of the nutrition they need for their metabolisms - but it makes them easier to live with so it's okay. 

Kerrib - I order online from the website and it arrives on the doorstop within a day or two. Can't fault the service, and much easier than having to drive to the nearest pet shop and pick it up.

Have you tried just ringing round local shops?  The Burns website is wholely unhelpful I found, but just by looking around I now know 3 nearby stores that sell it.  It won't be in PAH as Burns doesn't like to deal with large retailers, so I was told a while back.

Hi,
I get my burns from a small independent pet shop.  You are right PAH dont stock it, reason being they dont have enough people wanting it, which i find hard to believe but hey ho!  PAH are more for pet people (managers of PAH words, not mine) and he still reckons pedigree is the biggest seller for dogs and whiskas the biggest seller for cats.

Blackberry, in our local PAH we are wondering why we don't stock burns as afew customers do ask for it and our managers have enquired about it I believe.

Og course PAH is more for pet people, there are more pet's the show dogs and show people get there food direct most the time from the shows (nearly £15 price difference from going direct and ordering in bulk rather then going to PAH (still more expensive with staff discount!!! )

And the amount of pet people who come in looking for a food for there dog and won't touch pedigree or bakers has shocked me.

we order Burns direct from their website. For cats I know you have to order a certain amount to qualify for free delivery - not sure about dogs as we dont feed them Burns.