I was at a show yesterday and did quite well winning one class and getting second in another. A friend of mine had come with me and kindly video'd the classes so I could look at how the dog and I were looking. Honest feedback so to speak. When I got home I got a little too much feedback than I wanted.
Two people, one of which has always said she liked my youngster had been captured on the video recording, as my friend had stood behind them the entire time. It had picked up the entire conversation. I have to say I was shocked and quite upset by nasty comments that were made, not just about my dog but also about his breeder which I have passed on. Just plain bitchiness, not even point making, and this from two people who have been in the breed for years who don't have to prove themselves in any way. How sad that they have lost the enjoyment of showing and reduced to cackling around the ring anyone who they feel is worthy. My dog has done me proud under various judges so they can't all be wrong, but first and foremost he's my pet who I happen to show as we both enjoy it.
I'm not naive and I know how bitchy showing can be, but this is the first time I have literally heard nasty comments about my dog and to get it first hand was a shocker.
So a warning for the nasty little people that have nothing better to do than sit round the and make nasty pointless remarks.
CHECK BEHIND YOU. BECAUSE YOU NEVER KNOW WHO IS LISTENING/RECORDING

:rolleyes:Welcome to the glamarous and charming World of Dog Showing...:rolleyes: They make you so mad don't they and personally I think they enjoy bitching about people, that's the type they are I'm afraid...the only positive thing is...they usually bitch about the 'quality' in the ring, 'cos they can't beat it or Breed anything better!!! :D :D :D Walk with your head held high and aim to be better than they are!

I was at the show on sunday and he looked fab, jealous, jealous, jealous....

At least you haven't got a rottie!! only joking. I'm sorry for you Karen, at least I know the bobster is a star.:rolleyes: Obviously some people are quite jealous that you have a stunner. Perhaps when you next talk to them, you should have an itchy nose !! know what I mean

Have to say if it was me at the next show I'd say, "how do you think he's coming on"  If they say a load of nice things then I would say, "oooh that's not what you've said on a video recording"  !!!!!  Could you imagine their faces

One thing I'd definitely do though if anything happened in the future is keep a copy of this recording!!

Unfortunately you get this in every breed and all that I can say is tht I'm glad I keep myself to myself and just go out to enjoy the day.  I actually feel sorry for many people who seem to only enjoy their day out if they are bitching and lying about other people.

Don't get like that, that way you'll know that you are the best person there and that you don't need to stoop as low as many sad people in dogs do!

Don't let them get to you Karen.  They are probably only jealous.

When I started showing my husband sat around the ring, certain people obviously didn't know who he was as they were also saying some unfavourable things about us.

Hold your head up high and just make sure you beat the bu$$$rs. :)   Knowing your breeder, I am sure she told you the same LOL.

Why don't you invite them around for a night of watching videos? I'm sure they'd love to come and hear themselves :D

Thanks guys. I've shown for a few years now but this is the first time I've ever had this happen. Not knowing is not caring. But to hear on my tv last night was upsetting. But today I am angry.
As anyone that knows me or my dogs. I love my dogs and I always made a point when I started showing of never getting involved in petty bitching. I shouldn't and won't let it get to me in the future. I don't need a CC and Best in Show at Crufts or anything else to tell me my dog is the best one in the world. Showing takes up 20 minutes most weekends, a small percentage of the valuable time I have with my dogs. I'd love to go along to the next club AGM though and put the video up on a big plasma screen. There would be at least a couple of red faces there :)

Thanks for letting me have a moan.

Karen carry on enjoying the time you spend with your lovely boy. Its others that are missing out ;)

When I was in the ring at the last show I was at, the breeder of my dog who is always very negative about every other dog in the ring and the judge, was overheard talking to their friends (by my husband) and being equally negative about my dog who is a litter mate to a dog which was kept by the breeder and is doing very well. Ok I don't expect to have a perfect dog and I'm still learning  but to my face though she is always very complimentary about my dog. I afraid that I have lost confidence in this person and shall advoid them and their friends. There are many other people I have met through showing who are pleasant and not bitchy about other peoples dogs, owners or judges  and  have made dog showing an enjoyable experience.

I think that people who behave like this must have something missing in their lives and I don't need them in mine  

Thanks Jen
At least your honest to my face. Nice dog. Crap handler. ;)

Oh dear Karen, well done for your sucess tho hun, you both deserve it :)  I bet it was horrible to hear and sometimes being none the wiser is better ey....still, just goes to show how childish some people can be!

Karen, well done on your success.  Don't forget it was you walking out with the red card in your hand, not them.  Hold your head high and forget them, they are the sort that don't like to see people better themselves. Hope the success story continues.

I'm afraid my blood would be boiling at this. Its rude and un-necessary and hurtful.

Just go up and slap them next time you see them. :D

Chloe
Don't think I should go down that route. But thanks you've made me laugh :)

Go on Karen, if I'm there me and Bali will back ya up LOL!

Nice dog, crap handler Isn't that what I told you last week? :D :D

Honestly Karen love I really wouldn't take any notice. Bobs is a smashing little fella and he just loves being in the ring with you, any one can see that. What counts is what you and you alone thinks (and the judges of course ;) ) Point them out to me next time, I will ensure my dog slobbers on them :P :P
Catch ya later hun x

Dee

As in most things in the world, they are the sort that in reality don't have any confidence in themselves so find an urge to slag other people off!  They usually come off the worst in the end, it may take a while, but something always happens :d

As others have said it sounds like jealousy causing frustration.  It's like I say to my son when the opposing football team start getting 'dirty' "Don't get mad, get even - go and score another goal"  It is so satisfying to rise above and beat petty minded people who cannot raise their game.

Just by holding your head high, enjoying your dog and enjoying the competition you have got one over on them because you are getting something positive out of it and they are just getting jealous and bitter.

Yep, if you don't get mad, and can't get even - run up and pull their hair! :D :D :D

I think pregnancy is turning you violent missis :D

LOL @ Chloe - a girl after me own heart :P :P

I was standing behind a few people at a Ch dog show where these particular people were slagging off the dogs in the ring especially one particular handler saying she hasnt a clue how to show a dog etc etc.. I could feel my hackles rising thought it was disgraceful eventhough I am new to showing ....so I bent down and said to them 'excuse me but I certainly hope you are not going to discuss me in that way when I go into the ring as I think what your saying is a disgrace' then walked away .
The person who got 1st was the woman they were all jealous of...

thankfully I have met so many really nice helpful friendly people that the minority dont matter..plus they know what I think ...LOL

Roni

Take it as a compliment , Normaly people who bitch are actully jelouse themselves ;)

This reminds me of a similar situation a number of years back, though not really about bitching. A friend of mine was filming the dogs at a Champ show. A judge, watching from outside the ring, was judging later that year, giving CC's for the first time.
Overhearing her comments about construction & movement when she was accidently recorded, put me off entering under her. It saved me some money. I was flabbergasted that a judge thought that way. When she did judge, I was not impressed, so glad I had Overheard her comments.
In your situation Karen, I always say, "what goes around comes around" so revenge will be sweet when it makes it's own way to her. It may take some time, but rise above these people/comments, and they will evetually get what they deserve.
Kay

It is actually a form of backhanded compliment, if he wasn't a nice dog they wouldn't bother to talk about him :D

Think if they are talking about yours then someone else is getting a rest.

If we are honest though we have all sometimes had a little moan ringside, and as long as we are not, obvious about it and openly unkind I suppose it is just human nature to be a bit jealous or miffed occasionally, when things don't go your way. 

It is one reason judges need very thick skins as they will rarely please anyone other than the main winners, maybe the class winners.

If the judge was competent and consistent, once removed from the occasion most of us can see what the judge was about and why they liked the dogs they did.

I have to say I was shocked and quite upset by nasty comments that were made, not just about my dog but also about his breeder which I have passed on.

Ummmm, without opening a new can of worms, and playing devils advocate did you have permission to be videoing at the Show?  By passing on the comments you have recorded, without notifying the people you have recorded them, you may have violated some rights

As the OP was being videoed herself I am not sure what rights she could have violated... and really, its no worse than had she been standing behind and overhearing - and then passing it on?

Whose permission should she have asked? Her own? Lots of people video their own dogs when handled by someone else, lots of people, as in the OP, get others to video their dog. Same with cameras. You can photograph your own dog and only need permission to take a photo of someone elses' dog.

We have only just started out, both novices and 2 shows only under our belts, but to my amazment she's placed every time so far and I'm the worst handler ever!!! Me and my girl are having fun and there are more lovely people out there than horrid so far, so don't worry about them nasty folks. Just laugh and enjoy the day.... I'd give every pup entered a prize, as they are all lovely to me.(perhaps I should judge?)

Gosh, it sounds more like bitchy girls in a school yard, rather than dog enthusiasts in a show ring! Just ignore their spiteful comments, it is nothing more than jelousy, else they wouldnt feel threatened enough to bitch! I would, however, find it hard not to...erm...slip it into conversation when you next see them, would love to see their bright red faces, as you quote some of what they had said!

If you're doing things totally by the book then you should ask the show management and the judge if you can use a video camera.  I've only ever had two people ask me if they could video their own dogs when I was judging and both times it was at Crufts.  It's never worried me but I'm sure someone somewhere would make a fuss.

Debs

It did have a section on recording in the schedule. Giving permission for anyone to video or photograph their own dog. Only needed permission to video someone elses dog which I didn't do.

Sarah
I do understand what your saying but as Missie said my friend was only videoing my dog. The sound just picked it up. My friend also heard part of the conversation anyway.
In terms of passing on. I have passed it on as a friend to a friend.
Thanks everyone for your support. I have slept another night, got my cauldron out and cast a few spells and now feel alot better.
Onwards and upwards, downwards etc. (showing is like a rollercoaster) ;)

That's awful... this is what puts decent people off showing ...it often seems that even nice dog show people can't help being a bit bitchy at times.  There is a lot of pressure to conform and go along with who ever you talk to and this leads people into saying things they don't really mean just to fit in and be in with each other.

You must feel really gutted..... but try not to  take it too to heart and just see the dogs and not those horrid bipeds on the end of the leads. You and your dog sound great. Very well done.

The KC should set up a  'You've beeb framed' to send clips into or us to watch at Crufts. Like you were thinking....  being caught on tape it is a good way  to analyse  behavour and learn how to behave. I bet they would feel very ashamed of themselves ad maybe they will catch sight of this thread and feel a little remorseful.

>it often seems that even nice dog show people can't help being a bit bitchy at times.

But that's Life, isn't it? Everybody has good and bad days - we all have to accept that sometimes we're going to get hurt, and simply get over it. Life's too short to get upset about other people's opinions and words. :)

....isn't that what I was saying?   as in even nice people.  ;) 

Howevere... people should ideally be nice and friendly and plesant most of the time...especially when enjoying a pleasure based hobby type fun activity. 

I have to say it put me off showing as well when i started last year.  I heard some people pulling people and their dogs apart who were in the ring. 
It's an awful thing to do in the first place but to tell you that they like your dog etc and then do it just shows how nasty these people are.  At least your taking the best dog home at the end of the day.  Love the plasma screen idea for the agm as well :D

As someone said earlier, i think it happens in every breed.
i was standing talking to some folk who were slagging off another lady at a show then turned round to her later and said what lovely dogs she had and was so friendly to her, it really got my back up i had to walk off as i couldnt believe my ears,i know it was none of my business but it does put you off and i wont forget it.....

Unfortunately it goes on all of the time, I've seen some have even learnt to talk out the sides of their mouths which is so obvious when you follow their eyes to who they are talking about :rolleyes:
We save the 'ringside critique' for the journey home ;) :P

Never mind Karen Its happened to us all just remember you were the happy little bunny walking proudly out of the ring with your little star and a red card , not to mention all the other good times you wil enjoy when your lad is just  being a dog and not at a show.
There are horrible people about judges as well as exhibitors I once overheard a judge say "all German Shepherds should be tied up and left at the side of the motorway"  I was absolutely livid and made sure they knew about it this person however still accepts judging appointments for this breed as you can imagine they,ll never get their hands on my dogs and I,ve also made sure a lot of other breed people will never enter under this judge.
Having an inquest on the way home in the car with your freinds is one thing but there is no excuse for downright ignorance and bad manners.
Just you keep on enjoying your boy best of luck with him
Sharon