do any one think that breeding huskies with mals is wrong. its just that being as they are similar in breed it is keeping the general appearance of the dog the same or similar, the only exception being that the offspring may have blue eyes. just take for instance the hybrid breeds they have as recognised in america ie cockinese  cocker x pekinese  and doodleman pinscher   doberman x standard poodle.these dogs, and many many more are recognised as hybrid breeds.  i think that doing that is just rediculous and not helping the welfare of the breeds, because some of the people who advertise these particular breeds are recognised breeders, although if the dogs are of similar origin or backgrounds that is fine in my opinion.. I have the two breeds  (sibes and mals)my self and although i wouldnt do any thing to endanger the breeds i feel that by putting these two breeds together it would bring out another quality.
Your views would be gratefully appreciated

What quality exactly would you be bringing out? Sibes and Mals have very different traits and personalities, I am curious as to to what you would expect to get from the resulting crossbreed puppies

i think that there would be special qualities that a mixing of these two breed would bring. firstly as the husky are quite wirey dogs the malamute temperement would probably balance with this and there you would have a more laid back animal. secondly as they are both breeds which can tolerate cold climates  and used for pulling sleds/loads etc there would be an animal who if used for working would not only have the stamina of the husky but on top of that have the strength of the malamute. and thirdly the overall look of the animal would not be severely changed except that the possibility of blue eyes from the husky side which i personally think would be stunning. i know you would probably not agree with me on any of these points, but everyones has opinions and that is mine.

Well, there are plenty of these crossbreeds in the UK already snd NO rescue association for them so they are ending up in dogs homes all over the UK.

My personal opinion is that it is a very simplistic view to take two breeds and cross them in the hope of getting the best of both breeds in the pups

My personal opinion is that it is a very simplistic view to take two breeds and cross them in the hope of getting the best of both breeds in the pups

I agree, if it were only that easy!! I was asked years ago to let my Boxer be used at stud. I agreed because the bitch was related to my older dog and I hoped that I would get the best bits of both lines working wise.

It didn't work out I got a nice looking dog who got placed in the show ring but not a flaming thing working wise as he was just soooo laid back. I could out run him at agility he never went out of a trot. I learned a lot from that!!

I would imagine the results would be as useful as a cross between a racehorse and a shire horse. :)

I met a woman a few months ago with 2 litter brothers when I asked her what they were she told me that they were huskie x mal. I did'nt ask if they were a deliberate cross or not did'nt want to get in to all that. One of them took more after the huskie as it's coat was a lot shorter than the other, I have to say that they looked beautiful not that I agree with crossing! I still sometimes seem them passing my house and they are huge! and still growing.

in obedience,we have a few very successful BCxASD working.

& i guess the guide dogs did similar with the GRxlab

what do you think a huskyxmal would race like????is there a "place" in racing for such a x?

<<what do you think a huskyxmal would race like????is there a "place" in racing for such a x?>>

Well huskies are fast dogs Mals are slower but go further so a mix could do anything ... Mals and huskies do different jobs work wise ....... no sensible reasoning for the cross as if you want a real racer you have a husky and if you want a carthorse you have a Mal :)

Mixes are not allowed to race.

oh right, thanks for that! i have no idea whats the "norm",i thought i saw some piccies of some odd (xbred) dogs pulling/racing looking abit like hounds/pointers?????

could you not get a faster dog that could go as far??????(hopefully)

Busydoggs has confused you slightly with the comment that Mals go on for longer which isn't true ;-)  Siberians are sprint dogs, Mals are a freighting breed, think Ferrari V Land Rover   If you want to pull heavy loads in difficult conditions then the Mal is the dog for you.  Constructionally there are quite considerable differences between the two breeds due to the different nature of the work intended for them.  They also tend to have different temperaments.

In Alaska and Europe etc you also have Alaskans and Hounds etc etc which are used to race extensively, really to the detriment of both Sibes & Mals

mixes can race at certain organisations in the uk. 

But would they allow a mixed sled breed dog to race - I just registered my BC with ABSA on the NPBSD register which I was led to believe would not allow purpose bred mixes to run ... would SDAS let these dogs run then?

They can run in the SDAS open classes

Those crosses are not recognised in America - the AKC are no more likely to accept them as "breeds" than the UK KC. They are fashion fads, no more no less, and usually bred for the money.

Ive seen a lot of wolf hybrids advertised recently :rolleyes: I think some people use this as a sales ploy, as soon as you mention that true wolf hybrids need a special license in the Uk their breeding suddenly changes to siberian husky x malamute or gsd :rolleyes:

They're not hybrids -a hybrid is a cross between two different species, eg. dog x wolf, lion x tiger etc. They are nothing but mongrels, and there are enough of them in rescue already.

Blimey, Mals, Sibes, Bichons, cross breeding & Wales in only 4 posts   Any other buttons to press? :rolleyes:

Don't quite understand your comment as all four posts have been within a year time frame? 

i havent replied earlier as my computer was down  just replying to your response, can i ask you where did you get bichons from as i havent mentioned bichons in my message only sibes and mals.

From your previous post where you spoke about yout 2 Bichon that you were going to start showing at the end of May last year :)

blimey youve got a memory like an elephant. like copperscrossing said previosly that message was posted last year and i havent even mentioned breeding bichons so i dont know where you get ur info from. and exactly where ar u from? not wales i suppose.

How have you got on with showing your bichons? :)

Diane, just clicking on someones name and then clicking on the word POSTS shows you their previous posts :) I do not have a memory like an elephant, I wish I did :)

hybrids in fact are two  different species,varieties,breeds of  animals or plants. so are you calling shi-tzus mongrels as if i am not mistaken are a crossing of pekinese and lhaso apso.

:rolleyes: Most breeds were orginally crosses. The big difference is, nobody called them a new breed with a name ending in Poo or Doodle after just one mating then.

as far as i can see this post/topic has NOTHING to do with poodles?????

But it IS about crossing two well established breeds :)

if i am not mistaken arent the labradoddle now recognised as they are being used for guide and hearing dogs. when i was in crufts this year i came across this woman with a labradoodle and she told me the dog was in training to be, i think it was a dog for the hearing, and she also told me that the breed was being recognised by th kc.

>she also told me that the breed was being recognised by th kc.

She lied. The KC is emphatic that they are not going to be recognised. They are a crossbreed, no more, no less.

I would be interested on your source of information?  As far as I'm aware, the Labradoodle is no nearer being recognised by the Kennel Club than flying to the moon. :rolleyes:

why not stick on topic????

does every xbred thread need to descend to doodle bashing?

The topic was crossing breeds so the post was on topic.

the "topic" is on crossing a malx husky?????
i for one was interested in the thread to see if there was any sprting/working purpose for such a x????

Why do so many people hate poodles so much that they want to cross them with other breeds? The breeds' fans must be very insulted.

and there is a high propensity now to 'call' this cross a 'Huskamute' :rolleyes:
(you see it commonly on the web sites advertising litters)

yes that was way back then. this is today. times move on  newer breeds are being constantly sought after.

By the ingorant, yes. The better informed KNOW that there already are hundreds of breeds out there, and I'd challenge ANYONE to NOT be able to pick one that suits them.

What do you mean by 'recognised hybrid breeds'.

1/ they are not a breed they are a x breed until such time as they a/breed true and b/are recognised by a 'proper' kennel club (someone who actually shows will clarify what i mean there, but i do NOT mean the likes of dlrc etc).
2/hybrids are x bred animals such as donkey x horse, lion x tiger, who are generally expected to be sterile and incapable of breeding.

And of course 3/ 'recognised' is only relevant when you say WHO recognises them. In the uk, if its not recognised by the Kennel Club, its not a breed. New breeds may become recognised by the Kennel Club but there is a lot of time and hoops to be jumped through before that can happen.

So taking all those points into account, any x breed of any kind, unless bred for a specific purpose for which other breeds will not do (ie the lurcher types), is not being bred for the good of the dog, merely to satisfy human whim and somebodys pocket.

What will be achieved by breeding sibe x mal?? something that is neither a sibe or a mal? I cant see how thats going to help either breed, nor can i see a use for a dog that is somewhere between the two - which is of course NOT what you will get with just one breeding of sibe x mal..... you would get some sibe types, some mal types and some inbetweeny types (very very simplified though!).

As far as i can see all that would ahcieve is not your rather vague 'other quality' but just more money for your pocket. Sorry if that seems harsh, but if you did believe there IS something better to be ahcieved by the cross breeding here, id have expected you to state it claerly.

For instance, I personally believe the cross i own, the saluki x greyhound provides a running dog with a great deal more stamina than the greyhound, more robust than the saluki but more refined than the greyhound.

Em

I board what the owners bought as a "Huskamute"  at first he looked like a coarse heavy Husky pup, now he has grown he looks like a very poor, weakly made Malamute. 
Dawn.

as to what >additional quality< could be gleaned!

Regarding some of the racing comments this is a nice article from the Sled dog association of Scotland for those unaware of The Evolution of racing Sled Dogs

you see many hound mixes now, Cumbrian trail hound,European and Pointers to name a few.

Isn't it about time that some people tried to improve on the quality of the breeds already here rather than starting up new crosses that will be no more healthier?

I enjoyed reading Malcolm's article in DogWorld and he's a well known gentecist!!

Closing this topic as it isn't going anywhere