hi all
i currently feed hills science diet to my tibetan terrier and i want to change can you recommend a food that is high oils low protein

many thanks

georgina

Hi Gina,

Can i ask why you want a low protein food? :)

Some quality foods are:

{Fromm               }
{eaglepack holistic}  http://www.postalpetproducts.co.uk

Arden grange- http://www.ardengrange.com

jameswellbeloved- http://www.wellbeloved.co.uk

Hi -

I'm also puzzled why you want a high oil, low protein food?

I would recommend:

www.wellbeloved.co.uk
www.ardengrange.com

I too am intrigues about low protein high fat, as I have never seen a high fat formula that was low protein, though ahve seen plenty the other way, which for a coated breed are useless.

Arden Grange adult is 25% protein and 16% fat and I find this perfedtly fine even for my older dogs, I just adjust the amount fed if they are getting porky.

Autarky is 22% protein and 12% fat, and I fed this to my Veterans.

How old is your dog? If he is a pup/under 12-18mths he needs a high fat/protein food.

Most of the dry foods around are too low in protein and fat as it is.At the times when i am feeding predominately dry food i add extra  meats(fatty cuts regularly) and oils to my dogs dry food to up the fat and protein levels to a more appropriate and realistic level.

This is why i never ever recommend diet/lite foods! Besides being mostly fibre/grains  which have no health properties whatsoever and hardly any meat,they are IMHO dangerously low in protein and fat. Dogs need a  higher fat diet than us humans,they NEED the extra fat and protein,two things i would never withhold. Although low protein diets have their place with kidney compromised dogs etc.but for a normal healthy dog low protein foods are not recommended.

>If he is a pup/under 12-18mths he needs a high fat/protein food.

It depends on the breed, Sara. In my breed it's important to avoid certain protein sources to avoid the genuine risk of starting urinary problems. General lower protein is recommended. I don't know whether the OP's breed has particular problems, but advising high protein across the board isn't always wise. :)

high Oils low protein was recommended by lils breeder originally when i first got her as high protein make the blood to rich and causes itchy skin etc

G

Here is a link to help you appreciate how to discern between quality information and..............not ;)

I think anyone who works in haematology would be hard pressed to determine which samples were from animals fed high levels of protein, and I am not sure how the blood becomes "too rich", rich in what exactly?

All blood contains the same components, although they may be of differing groups and of course blood tests can reveal anomalies and problems etc.

Itchy skin is not caused by protein per se, but any allergen (usually one or more specific proteins if it is caused by ingestion).

It is wise to rely on facts not old wives tales when researching anything which your breeder appears not to have done.

Before changing foods, determine what it is you are specifically looking for that is not provided by your current diet otherwise you may just be exchanging one brand for another with no particular benefits.

Yeah your right Jeangenie :) There are always exceptions,as with Dals,as far as im aware TT dont suffer with urate stones. But for the normal healthy dog with no hereditary conditions i just dont agree with a low protein diet. Just to compare the protein content of a raw diet,,the canines natural food,this usually contains around 30-35% protein,depending whats fed,i would be interested to see how dalmation et al owners handle this??

Gina does your dog have allergies? If not,then im not sure why  your breeder has recommended this. Personally i think poor quality  protein contributes to most diseases such as skin disorders rather than the quantity. I wonder if your breeder is describing internal heat,which is a problem with dogs being fed a dehydrated dry food diet with not enough moisture,the animal is hot and has a lot of heat in the body to elimiminate.In chinese medicine dehydrated foods leads to what is called >internal heat<.This overloads the kidneys over time as well as the spleen,the organ that governs the digestive system,which will usually show itself in some sort of skin problem in one way or the other.

Hey,if you would feel better feeding a low protein diet that is your prorogative :) Personally i look for the quality as well as the quantity of the protein my dogs get,and would always suggest adding a little water or canned food if a dog is fed a predominately dry food diet :)

Here are some good links to help you decide on which foods to choose and which to avoid :)

Choosing the best food for your money:
http://www.gooddogmagazine.com/dogfoodcosts.htm

Pet Food Labels 101
http://www.mordanna.com/dogfood/index.php?page=li101

Pet Food Ingredients to avoid
http://www.mordanna.com/dogfood/index.php?page=list1

Identifying better dog foods
http://www.mordanna.com/dogfood/index.php?page=identify

The Science Diet Scam
http://www.ourdogsonline.com/index.php?section=27

Sara a high protein diet is not recommended for great danes either during puppyhood as it accelerates growth which may lead to possible problems later on. You don't want a large breed to get big quickly :)

I would argue with the first links views.  It may depend on the breed and how well they utilise nutrients.

I have never found such a vast difference in the amount fed to keep the dogs in the same weight between cheaper foods and super premium.

On Arden Grange Adult (25% prot 15% fat)they get about 200g, but I would never feed more than a little more of say the lower protein/fat adult foods like Wafcol (20% prote 10%fat), possibley 25g more.

With my one time anorexic bitch I used to feed the Prestige which was 30% prot and 20% fat, and fed her 200g.

Like you, I have never noticed any great difference.  The opinions offered, though, are regarding foods in America which are formulated differently and under different regulations to most of the posters who are based in the UK. 

her breeder originally recommended high oils low protein

i said myself that maybe a high protein level would cause overheating therfore cause itchy skin etc my mistake i guess ...........

many thanks to everyone for the helpful advice

i have not had any problems with her on the hills so i think i will leave her on it for another while and research the other foods first

greatly appreciated

Ginastarr

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Effect of dietary protein on lean body wasting in dogs: correlation between loss of lean mass and markers of proteasome-dependent proteolysis.

Wakshlag JJ, Barr SC, Ordway GA, Kallfelz FA, Flaherty CE, Christensen BW, Shepard LA, Nydam DV, Davenport GM.

Department of Clinical Sciences, Cornell University, College of Veterinary Medicine, Ithaca, NY, USA. jw37@cornell.edu

To determine the effect of dietary protein intake on lean body wasting in adult canines a study was undertaken to investigate the Ubiquitin Proteasome (UP) pathway and concurrent changes in lean and fat body mass of canines fed variable sources and concentrations of dietary protein. Purpose-bred, intact female canines (56) between the ages of 2 and 3 years were fed either 12 or 28% protein diet for 10 weeks. Each diet contained variable amounts of corn gluten meal and chicken protein sources in ratios of 100 : 0, 67 : 33, 33 : 67 and 0 : 100 per cent (w/w), respectively. All diets were isocaloric with calories coming from protein : fat : carbohydrate at the respective ratios of 12 : 40 : 48% for the 12% diets, and 28 : 40 : 32% for the 28% diets. Standard dual energy X-ray absorptiometry was performed to assess total body lean and fat mass at weeks 0 and 10 of the dietary trial. Muscle biopsies were also taken and processed for protein determination and standard gel electrophoresis with subsequent Western blotting for 20S proteasome and PA700 regulatory cap subunit p31. Statistical analysis revealed a moderate degree of correlation between increasing quantities of corn gluten, which is low in essential amino acids (i.e. lysine, tryptophan), and increasing loss of lean body mass over the 10-week study (R = 0.56). Furthermore, a moderate degree of correlation was observed between increasing concentrations of corn gluten protein and decreased expression of the p31 subunit of the 26S proteasome (R = 0.49). Additionally, the dogs consuming the 12% protein diets had a significant increase in fat mass regardless of the protein source. These findings suggest that lean body wasting in adult canines can be associated with the consumption of low protein diets consisting of predominantly corn gluten, which is likely due to imbalances or subclinical deficiencies of specific essential amino acids, and that low protein diets may augment accumulation of adipose tissue. Although the mechanisms remain unclear, alteration of molecular targets of skeletal muscle proteolysis, specifically involving the UP pathway occur.

PMID: 14633050 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]