I need some help in what to do now!!  (Please, please don't lecture me, I've beat myself up enough for everyone). I have a male who has just turned 9 months. I did everything I knew to keep him seperate from my female(is also his mother). My hubby came home and did'nt check that things were locked up after he left. Now I'm in a panic!! I found him and his mother tied last night when I got home from work. I'm very upset and was hoping I'm not the only idiot that this has happened to, and was looking for advise on my choices. Is there such a thing as the morning after pill as in humans? Surely I should not let this just go!!
Hubby and I are now not talking I'm so ANGRY!! Advise please.

Yes, your vet will be able to prescribe meds to prevent pregnancy.  Give him a call a.s.a.p.

Accidents happen ;)  regards Teri

Straight to the Vet for an injection to sort this out - now.  Can't help with the marital problems! ;)  Sorry.

I would get to the vets ASAP to get the injection which is in theory the morning after pill......you dont want Mother Son pups thats for sure.

Hi guys thanks for the quick reply. I thought surely a shot existed for this, but I just got off with my vet who told me no!! He said I would have to get her spayed, which I don't want to do. Remember also I live in the US where fixing all dogs as young as possible is the desired method for vets. I feel like he is trying to force me to get her spayed. Now I'm even more upset!!!!!!!!!!

It's certainly used quite regularly on this side of the pond.

Ring another vet, I would.  I can't believe that something so useful that's available here isn't available in the States

Ring around a few vets.

Don't settle for that - ring around :)  There must be the same med solutions in the US as here - even the most experienced breeders can have accidents and I'm sure they don't just accept that neutering is their only option.

Good luck, Teri

I'm losing my patience here. I have rang 4 other vets who have all told me either the shot simply does not exist or they don't administer it. Get her fixed is all they say!!! I have insisted it does exist but they just say well we don't use it, you should get her fixed. I'm infuriated. I'm going to try the University and see if they can prescribe it to a local vet to administer. This rediculous, you guys are lucky to have resonable vets. But like I said here they push to have pups fixed at 4 months of age.

I've used the jab (here in the UK) when my Dachs caught one of my poodles. Had no problems with it at all.
Becky

Call another vet - call a range of vets, quickly.

Your vet might want you to spay your bitch because he doesn't want this to happen again at her next season, so perhaps he is being a bit one-sided and not telling you about this option.

Here is a website which discusses it, and is a US website too: http://www.vivo.colostate.edu/hbooks/pathphys/reprod/petpop/terminate.html

I can imagine how you must be feeling.
If you do not find a vet very soon that will administer the injection then maybe the speying option is worth considering, can you imagine how angry you'd be if this happened a second time.

Good luck, I hope it all works out for the best

Now, as someone with many breeder friends on the other side of the pond I can explian why you are having such trouble. In their wisdom, they have had a 'misalliance' jab for many more years than we have had here. Sadly, because there are many side effects to using it, usually minor like sickness and hormonal problems, but there have been some cases of death, longterm illness and so on, 99% of USA vets now will not administer it. Why? Because they afraid of being sued because your culture has that at its root these days (and ours is going that way).

It doesn't help you in the slightest but its not because you haven't had this drug there, but because you HAVE had it and its been decided that it is too *dangerous* to use.

Waffly bit now. Had a misalliance 6 months ago myself. Not as serious as yourself because the dogs were unrelated and god knows i wish i'd just gone with it as he was the sire that was going to be used on her the next season anyway - but she'd only had a litter 10 months before and I felt it way too soon.

Had the misalliance jab, and she was fine, thank goodness except for a little vomiting and green-ness for a few days. However it has thrown her seasons all over the place with her having 'shows' of blood on some days then nothing for days then shows again however she is not in season. Adking US based pals if they had seen such a thing after using this jab they all instantly came back saying 'ohhhhhhh you shouldn't use that its very dangerous etc etc' 'Vets here won't ever give it because of the side effects'..... so thats how I discovered all this ;-(

I'm sorry i have no other practical suggestions.

1) You either ring round dozens more vets, saying you KNOW it may have side effects but you will sign something to say you accept this.
2) You spay your bitch
3) You cross your fingers hard as hell that she didn't fall
4) You go with it and just cope with the puppies. Its not ideal by any means but then having a mismating wasn;'t either. Its not like they'll have two heads or anything its just that recessive health and temperament problems would have a very good chance of occuring in the offspring in such a close mating.

Morally such a mating must not been seen as it would be in human 'incest' terms remember - these are animals.

Di

If you dont plan on having any litters in future with your bitch I think I would maybe consider having her spayed rather than risk having the jab if it causes such bad side effects.(if you do find a vet who will give it that is!)as you will have to get one of them done otherwise the problem may re-occur in the future.

otherwise what options do you have other than letting her carry through if she has caught ...with the time and expense of having a litter envolves could you cope!

as for your hubby ....sort this out first ...then make him pay!!!

Roni

'as for your hubby ....sort this out first ...then make him pay!!!'

LMAO - indeed, must not forget that bit

The plan was to get the male fixed when possible, but because of an undecended testicle the vet wanted to wait till he was a year old. Does the fact that he only has one down and that he is 9months old make any difference in is potency? Anyway I still cannot find a vet around here that will give the shot. I truely can't believe this has happened. I only wanted one more litter out of her and now this happens.

Does the fact that he only has one down and that he is 9months old make any difference in is potency?

Nope.  But being a monorchid is believed to be hereditary and there's a good chance that it will be passed on to the pups.:(

Just a note to add to this. I had an accidental mother/son mating (the bitch was pregnant before I knew about it. Again hubby problems ) We had 4 pups from a breed that tends to have large litters. One of the pups was kept and shown. She qualified for Crufts by winning a large Junior class. All 4 of these pups were healthy. On the other hand a friend had a brother/sister mating. There were 6 pups, 1 stillborn and 2 died within the first week or two. The other 3 were healthy. Although this isn't ideal it does happen. Next time your bitch comes into season I would find someone to look after one of the dogs so this doesn't happen again. My bitch goes back to her breeder for a holiday ;) That way I don't have to worry about about any accidents and she has to clean up after her

Although this isn't ideal it does happen

It depends entirely what is behind the similar ancestors and the genes that they're carrying.

A friend of mine had a mismating between a father and daughter.  She had 8 lovely puppies.  That was 2 years ago.  1 of the littermated seems to have gotten all the problems, she is tiny and odd looking and will eventually die if kidney failure, but the rest seem normal, no behavioral problems to speak of.  So, while it is NOT the best of things to have happened, if you can't find a vet to administer the shot, things  might not be all black.  Keep you fingers crossed and say a prayer!

The reason they are telling you it does not exist is because they would prefer to spay first most vets do not agree with breeding and second they would get more money out of you if you spayed. When you ring let them know before asking for the injection that you WILL NOT spay at all and tell them they are mother and son it may change their minds

I had an accidental mating between full brother & sister (He wasn't even 9 months old!) and she was given the misallianace injection day 3 & day 5 after mating.  Besides bloating up to make me think she might be in-whelp that's the only side effect Mia suffered from.   So, yes, accidents do happen & in ths day and age there's plenty to rectify these situations too.

I do hope you are successful in tracking down a vet who will adminster this injection to your girl.    Fingers crossed.

Hiya,

Sorry to hear this has happened.  I don't have any advice really, as I'm in the UK, but I've used this jab on one of my bitches and didn't have any problems at all.
As the last poster said, over here it's usually done on days 3 and 5 after the mating, so I'd keep trying to phone round vets.  Make it clear that you're not willing to spay your girl.

Best of luck