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- By Nrob324 [gb] Date 16.03.06 12:53 UTC
Bought a puppy at the weekend that was run on so hes 17 weeks now


The problem is that my little boy is terrified of him and screams and cries every time the puppy goes near him 

Its a shame but i think the best thing to do is to return the puppy to it breeder 

Contacted the breeder Fine bring him back 

Great i thought

When we sell him asap we will send u back your money minus the kennel fees and food

Im thinking ive had the puppy for 4 days and they want to charge me to take him back

So i said i would sell him and the reply was i will sue u if u do that

What am i supposed to do ?

Help
- By Jeangenie [gb] Date 16.03.06 13:01 UTC
Take him back. They'll have to pay to re-advertise him, after all. It's not their fault you've realised you've made a mistake.
- By SharonM Date 16.03.06 13:03 UTC
When my pups leave here, they go with a puppy contract stating what the breeder has told you.  Did you sign a contract stating you would take the pup back to the breeder if you could no longer offer him/her a home?
- By Goldmali Date 16.03.06 13:05 UTC
Jeangenie is right. It will cost the breeder extra money to find a new home for the pup and to feed it in the meantime -but they SHOULD have the pup back, it should NOT be sold on by you. Didn't you check what your child was like with dogs BEFORE bringing home a puppy?
- By Soli Date 16.03.06 13:05 UTC
I have to agree with Jeangenie.  The reason you are not able to keep him is not the breeders' or the puppy's fault.   Just look at it as a lesson learned.
- By JaneG [gb] Date 16.03.06 13:05 UTC
Did you choose the puppy at a younger age and the breeder ran him on for you? If this is the case I think it's fair enough. The breeder is probably very upset with you and now this pup has to go to another home at an older age than preferable. If I was the breeder I would not want you to sell the pup on...this is not about money but about finding a good home. That said I would have taken any of my pups back and paid for them straight away just to get them back - and I wouldn't have sold to someone with such a young child.
- By keepers [gb] Date 16.03.06 13:06 UTC
whats best for the puppy ...... and it would seem a much more sensible thing for the puppy to go back to the breeder so they can vet the home before the puppy is placed ..... the food issue is irrelevent because that cost you would have incurred anyway ...... and the time and money the breeder will have spent finding a suitable home for your puppy will need reimbursing. How do you propose to rehome this puppy .... who is in this position through no fault of his own ..... by running a local ad and taking the first person that comes along whether they are prospective suitable owners or not ...... i think you at least owe the puppy a good second chance in finding a new family and the money thing should certainly not be your first priority.
- By Nrob324 [gb] Date 16.03.06 13:16 UTC
THe pup was run on for the breeder to show but hes only got one ball so she got rid of him because she was worried it wouldnt drop

hes not even had any jabs

Yes maybe i was nieve

But it seems to me that there not worried about the welfare of the dog but in the cash they get i said i had a problem after 2 days with nipping and the breeder said get newspaper and give the puppy a wack

i feel like giving the puppy away rather than give it back to the breeder to cash in
- By JaneG [gb] Date 16.03.06 13:20 UTC
The breeder has a right (and responsibility) to find the best home they can for their pup. If you've never bred a litter you wouldn't understand how much we love our puppies and worry about them throughout their lives. I would be frantic with worry if someone I sold a puppy to rehomed it and I lost touch with it. Please just hand the puppy back and take it as a lesson learned.
- By Carla Date 16.03.06 13:23 UTC
Oh dear oh dear :(

Seems like a nightmare from all sides. I don't agree with you having the pup for 4 days and complaining abotu nipping (which ALL puppies do) and I don't agree with the breeder charging you kennel fees (!) or telling you to hit the puppy.

What breed is he?
- By spanishwaterdog [gb] Date 16.03.06 13:29 UTC
I wdn't go further with this post.  Is it a Dogue de Bordeaux or a Dobermann that you ended up with in the end???? :rolleyes:

Poor puppy, is all that I can say!
- By Lokis mum [gb] Date 16.03.06 13:52 UTC
I think you have been given a fair response by the breeder - after all, s/he isn't Marks & Spencer!

Did you not get a contract when you bought the puppy?
- By Blue Date 17.03.06 08:19 UTC

>i feel like giving the puppy away rather than give it back to the breeder to cash in<


The breeder offering to take the pup back and find a good home is hardlying " Cashing in"

I think your posts sound so very irresponsible.

Puppy nipping at this age is all normal, and you would never hit it with a paper. :rolleyes: regardless what the breeder said.
- By calmstorm Date 16.03.06 14:01 UTC
nrob. you need to learn from what is your mistake, and your mistake alone. you are only concerned with the money aspect, or wouldn't be demanding your money back. you made the choice to have the pup, its not worked out for you, and the breeder will take the pup back. so, your hands are washed of this problem, the breeder now has to iron out any problems the pup has gained from your end, and after a vet health check to ensure it is still healthy, she will have to spend time re-training, and assesing the puppy. A 'returned' puppy makes people suspicious, so finding it a new home becomes more difficult, and takes longer making more expence. Then spend up to £100 a week advertising it, if she goes country wide. then there is feeding costs, time taken to interview potential purchasers, seeing visitors to the home, believe me she won't make money out of you returning it, but if she has to refund your purchase price she will be well out of pocket for something that is your responsibility. take the puppy back, and see it as a lesson learnt.
- By Nrob324 [gb] Date 16.03.06 14:06 UTC
Its ok my brothers going to have him
- By lumphy [gb] Date 16.03.06 14:10 UTC
Hi

Have you not even concidered trying to train the pup before deciding it had to go. All pups will jump up and nip. It is up to you as a owner to train it not to do this. If you really wanted to keep it there is a way around this. Maybe you need to teach your child how to react around puppies.

To be honest you dont sound like someone who should have a puppy. Take it back to the breeder and let her home it to someone who knows what they are doing. Learn by your mistake

Wendy
- By sara1bee [gb] Date 16.03.06 14:33 UTC
you are lucky to get any money back at all, you bought him and found him 'unsuitable' thats your fault not the breeders!
- By Nrob324 [gb] Date 16.03.06 14:37 UTC
Its ok not to worry hes going to my brothers
- By Kash [gb] Date 16.03.06 14:39 UTC
I'll be honest- if I had sold you that pup and you gave it away to your brother rather than gave him back to me- I'd be livid :mad:  You really should try and see things from the breeders point of view too!

Stacey x
- By Nrob324 [gb] Date 16.03.06 14:44 UTC
No ones seeing it from my point of view Im the one losing money not the breeder
- By HuskyGal Date 16.03.06 14:46 UTC
:rolleyes: :rolleyes:
:mad:
- By Isabel Date 16.03.06 15:05 UTC
OK I will try to see it from your point of view.  What did you do to investigate what you son would be like with a puppy?
- By nuttyhousewife [gb] Date 16.03.06 20:03 UTC
did you not take your child to meet the pup before you brought it home ? i feel sorry for the pup being passed from pillar to post
- By therhyse Date 16.03.06 14:45 UTC
I am really saddened by some of your replies. here was a desperate person who was asking for your advice and not to be judged and convicted. yes, she probably made a mistake in getting a pup without doing research beforehand but at least she was trying to get help.

To be honest you dont sound like someone who should have a puppy. Take it back to the breeder and let her home it to someone who knows what they are doing. Learn by your mistake

we ALL make mistakes but should not judge people, how do we know this person is not suitable to have a puppy. maybe the breeder should have given more support and help, it is after all a breeders responsibility to find good homes for their puppies.
- By HuskyGal Date 16.03.06 14:50 UTC
agree with you to a point...and the point was..where the OP said this:

>Im the one losing money not the breeder<


:mad: which to my mind makes everyones previous assumptions glaringly correct now!!!!!!!!!
- By Nrob324 [gb] Date 16.03.06 14:59 UTC
So if i take the dog back how is the breeder losing out then?

Sold me a dog £500 4 days later takes the dog back and i have nothing

Ok i made a mistake granted

But how would u feel if u were in my situation a child or a dog?

Thats why alot of dogs end up in the wrong hands because of this sort of thing

People dont just have money to throw about

breeder had nice kennels 10 dogs nice boarding kennels now you tell me whos on the make?

NO im the one whos losing
- By Val [gb] Date 16.03.06 15:45 UTC
But how would u feel if u were in my situation a child or a dog?

I think that both your child and the puppy need training and 4 days isn't enough to train either!  But if you are giving up after such a short time, themn I wouldn't want you to  have one of my pups.
- By nuttyhousewife [gb] Date 16.03.06 20:05 UTC
but the breeder has told you you that you will get your money back after she has re sold it  minus any money for kennel and board i think thats fair enough
- By therhyse Date 16.03.06 15:00 UTC
why dosn't Nrob324 and the breeder come to an agreement and meet half way - split the difference?? problem solved and everyone can be happy! :cool:
- By Nrob324 [gb] Date 16.03.06 15:04 UTC
Im Very happy to do that
- By therhyse Date 16.03.06 15:05 UTC
have you had dialog with the breeder?
- By Nrob324 [gb] Date 16.03.06 15:09 UTC
Yes i contacted the breeder

and was told that i would get my money asoon as the pup was sold less food and boarding

Then had her partner call me asking me to bring the pup back i asked about monies to the reply we will discuss when u get here

im worried if i take the dog back they will take him and i wont get anything
- By Isabel Date 16.03.06 15:09 UTC
In your first post you said the breeder was going to give you the proceeds of a sale once received less her expenses.  What do you think is unfair about that, incidentally that is exactly what I did with the one puppy that was ever return to me.  The first owners did not ask for anything as they felt it was their change in circumstances that caused it although of course you could say it was nobodies so were more than happy with that arrangement.
I wonder why you think the breeder should be at all out of pocket over this?
- By Nrob324 [gb] Date 16.03.06 15:13 UTC
I understand but after 4 days?

i can understand if it was weeks months but 4 days even offering me something would be nice
- By JenP Date 16.03.06 15:19 UTC
I thought they were offering you the proceeds from the sale less expenses that they incur in rehoming him.
- By Nrob324 [gb] Date 16.03.06 15:20 UTC
They r but what happens if he doesnt sell?

Also isnt it my puppy now to do as i please?
- By JenP Date 16.03.06 15:25 UTC
Why shouldn't he sell him? - he has already decided not to keep him.  I do think the offer he has already made is fair.  It could also be argued, why should the breeder be out of pocket because you have had a change of mind....
- By marguerite [gb] Date 16.03.06 15:31 UTC
Have you changed ownership of this pup into your name with the Kennel Club, if you have not done this, the breeder is still the legal owner of this puppy.  Please correct me anyone if I am wrong.
- By Carla Date 16.03.06 15:32 UTC
Don't think so - not if money has changed hands and receipts have been given?
- By Moonmaiden Date 16.03.06 20:44 UTC Edited 16.03.06 20:46 UTC
They r but what happens if he doesnt sell?

Also isnt it my puppy now to do as i please?


If you are not a WUM you are not only naive but also incredibly stupid & I'm not sorry if that offends you

You bought a large working breed puppy for a child to replace a smaller dog :eek:(Gt Schnauzer to "replace"a schnauzer) who doesn't live with as a present & you work full time. So you wouldn't be there to train & look after the puppy to boot

I can't put what I really think if you aren't a WUM
- By calmstorm Date 17.03.06 09:27 UTC
Em, whats a wum?
- By Carla Date 17.03.06 09:28 UTC
Wind up Merchant
- By Charanda [de] Date 16.03.06 15:20 UTC
I thought they were offering you the proceeds from the sale less expenses that they incur in rehoming him.

Which I think is perfectly acceptable.  How does the breeder know how long its going to take to find a new home for the pup? Offering the proceeds of the sale less the expenses seems like a good offer.
- By therhyse Date 16.03.06 15:19 UTC
in the interest of the puppy, I think the breeder should take the puppy back and give a full refund and put it down to experience, the same for Nrob324.
- By Nrob324 [gb] Date 16.03.06 15:24 UTC
It just seems to me some breeders r on the make
- By abck9fran [gb] Date 16.03.06 15:26 UTC
Wh should the breeder loose out because you made a mistake?
- By Tenaj [gb] Date 19.03.06 17:21 UTC
Most breeders will offer a full refund and take back the pup if a health problem shows up.Contracts should spell out all this...if you did not get a contract next time you will be more careful.

No breeder will take back a pup for full refund just because you changed your mind. What they will do is take back the pup and when it has sold you will get the funds from the sale less the housing costs over the time the pup was cared for by the breeder.

Basically breeders want pups to go to good homes. By ding it this way it makes sure people think through the idea of getting a pup because they know it will be a huge investment and that it is a committment and the financial commitment is not something a loving puppy mum or dad would worry too much about.
- By spanishwaterdog [gb] Date 16.03.06 15:28 UTC
What breed is it?  Only asking as £500 is very cheap if it's a DDB which you asked for previously. 

If I were you and you were thinking of getting another dog in the future please don't go down the DDB route, nor the Dobe route.  I'm not being nasty but I doubt that either of these breeds would be suitable for yourself and especially not for your child.
- By quirky [gb] Date 16.03.06 19:47 UTC
DDB are absolutely wonderful with children... (couldn't let the point go with out challenging it).  Dobes I do not know enough about to comment.  But DDB's flourish and absolutely love children.
- By Brainless [gb] Date 17.03.06 14:07 UTC
Dobes also make wonderful family dogs, but with any dog, large or small there is a lot os scope for harm to befall child or pup if not carefully supervised.
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