Hi can anyone tell me when does a breed get to cc status?

When the Kennel Club decide to give the breed CCs ;)  It really is as simple as that.

I imagine the number of registrations and show entries would influence the decision.

Not really.  In my second breed there were more entries per show than other breeds who have been granted CC status plus more registrations and people breeding but they still didn't get CCs.  It often has to do with the people in the breed and who's running the breed club (and HOW it's being run).  Sometimes a level playing field and not just one person controlling the judging list matters ;)

Please forgive my ignorance, but what is a cc?

CC = Challenge Certificate.  In breeds where challenge certificates are on offer you have to win 3 CCs under 3 different judges for your dog to become a champion.

Some breeds don't have CCs and therefore cannot be UK champions.

Hope this helps.

Debs

Thanks for that, I know nothing about showing, but will learn as we go along. I do find it quite scary but hey thats what lifes about. Our first show doesn't come up til May when our boy is old enough. It will be for the fun element for us, not competitive myself, not sure about dd though!
Karen.

It often has to do with the people in the breed and who's running the breed club (and HOW it's being run).  Sometimes a level playing field and not just one person controlling the judging list matters ;-)

Not in my breed! We actually asked the KC to please NOT give us CCs but they still did! So we made the best of it and have to hope it will not have bad effects. 34 years it took for us and here the KC seemed to base it only on registrations, which pretty much have doubled or even tripled recently -ONLY due to a lot of working type dogs being bred (ones that will never be shown), the show entries have NOT really increased -if anything for a long while they were down.

>> Not in my breed! We actually asked the KC to please NOT give us CCs but they still did!

Same here :( The majority didn't want CC's however the KC still decided to give them to us :(

Yup :( The breed club held a vote and the vote was NO! But here we are , 2006 , with cc's :(

excuse my ignorance but why wouldnt you want CC in your breed I thought it would be a good thing to strive for.
In that case what are you striving for when you enter shows??

being new to all this its great to get differing opinions!

roni

Our breed (Malinois) is a breed absolutely NOT suitable as a pet and show dog only, they all need owners that are interested in working their dogs in one way or another -more than just basic obedience. (Regardless of whether the dog is the lesser "driven" show bred Malinois, or the working bred one.) Therefore it is a great worry that people should be attracted to the breed once CCs are available, thinking they will be a breed to get easy tickets in, as it is a numerically small breed.  Largest breed entry ever was Crufts on Thursday with 32 (inc. 3 from abroad), your average championship show usually around 10 or so. (May change now of course, who knows.) This could be disastrous for the breed as if the wrong people end up with them, thinking they can be kept like some other breeds and be happy with just basic pet training and  daily walks, we could soon end up with a lot of frustrated dogs that will start to give the breed a bad name and will doubtless end up in rescue. So this was the worry. Those of us that show have all been perfecty happy to go along as we were without tickets, none of us (as far as I am aware of, of course somebody might have had different views without saying anything publicly) felt we needed tickets for any reason. So that's point number one.

Point number 2 is that a lot of us feel that as the numbers being shown are so small, and the KC keep changing the CC allocation, stud book band etc for other breeds where the popularity decline, chances are we will lose the tickets after about 2 years anyway when the KC realise just how few are shown out of those bred.

So all in all we were quite happy as we were! :) As for what to strive for, there are other things -top winners in breed during the year etc. Both the breed clubs have annual awards, and then there is the dog papers competitons as well.

I'd like to thank everyone for the info! as mine is a toy dog breed and I just was wondering. I am hoping to start showing this year for the first time ever! and as much knowledge as possible can be a helpful tool.  There were only 29 entries to crufts this year for my breed and just interesteted to understand the mechanics of the whole showing thing.:-)

You will soon start picking it up when you get started.  If your breed is anything like the vulnerable breed, whose club I am a member of, your best bet is to attend a breed club show where you will find people very welcoming and delighted to introduce a new body to the intricacies of it all and would, perhaps, be less daunting that an all breeds show.  Attending ring craft classes is also very useful where much can be picked up too but if you have a rare breed finding people who know exactly how to groom, present, handle them is obviously less likely.  Best of luck :)