I'm trying to find a dry complete which doesn't have rice as part of the ingredients. I'm aware of Wafcol Salmon & Potatoes, but does anyone know of any other brand which doesn't contain rice. I'm currently waiting on the results of an allergy test, but I am beginning to think that my dog has a sensitivity to rice and I'm just trying to research at this stage what would be a good food to try her with. It will be interesting to see if the results of the allergy test support my suspicions.

I've been wading through ingredient lists such as Nutro, Arden Grange, Burns, JWB but they all contain rice. Can anyone help??
Many thanks, Karen

Found this one on a Google search, although no doubt it is stuffed full of something else someone will disapprove of ;)
It's difficult to search as Google doesn't understand the work no :) much easier to find lots with rice isn't it?

Isabel, thanks for that link .... What do you think it means when it says chicken meal, and turkey and duck meal??  Ingredient lists are a minefield of obscuraties!

I believe meal means meaty bits sucked out of the boney bites and awkward corners where it doesn't come out whole.  Perfectly acceptable to dogs and perfectly nutritious but some people seem to regard this as short changing :)

I can''t find a breakdown of ingredients for this food (http://www.fish4dogs.com/html/default.aspx) but I'm sure if you email them they could help?

Hi i was just looking at the oscars web site and i came across this food

Fish and Potato

Potato Starch 40%, Herring fish 15%, Soya protein 15%, Poultry fat, Beet pulp, Brewers yeast, Egg, Calcium carbonate, Dicalcium phosphate, Salt, Chicory
i feed some of my dogs on the csj food and i find it suits them very well and they enjoy it, and how they make chicken meal sounds the same as they make chicken nuggets and when they get the chance my kids enjoy them .

> What do you think it means when it says chicken meal, and turkey and duck meal??<

These are good things :) Much better than just chicken,turkey,duck.

Meat is around 70% or so water,when this water is extracted you are left with the meal,pure meat minus the water,a much better more concentrated form of protein.Whn you buy a food which states just chicken,turkey,rice etc etc it looks like this food has plenty of meat,however you are paying for mostly water.>Named<Meals are a much better option.

I have an arrticle somewhere which i will post when i find it,which explains this much better than i can :p

How can you possibly be paying for water when the food is totally dehydrated.  If that is what meal is, and I really didn't think so, then surely all dehydrated foods are made from meal.

The royal canin that I am using doesn't have rice listed as an ingredient.

>Contrary to what many people believe, meat sources in \"meal\" form (as long as they are from a specified type of animal) are not inferior to whole, fresh meats. Meals consist of meat and skin, with or without the bones, but exclusive of feathers/hair, heads, feet, horns, entrails etc. and have the proper calcium/phosphorus ratio required for a balanced diet. They have had most of the moisture removed, but meats in their original, \"wet\" form still contain about 75% water. Once the food reaches its final moisture content, the meat will have shrunk to 1/4 of the original amount, while the the meal form remains the same and you get more concentrated protein per pound of finished product. <

[link]http://www.mordanna.com/dogfood/index.php?page=identify[/link]

you may want to check the foods to avoid page ;)

Wow sara - your copy & paste throws up the same typing problems that Sitstay has! :D Unless of course they wrote the article :D

I actually found that link to be really informative - especially this bit:

>The most important criteria are that your dog likes the food and thrives on it, and that you feel comfortable feeding it. The "best" food will not do if your dog can't tolerate it or won't eat it.

I thought this was the most "enlightening" bit ;)

>your copy & paste throws up the same typing problems that Sitstay has<

And i know how much that seems to annoy a couple of you ;)

I know why it happens,can you figure it out? A hint,it has nothing to do with any>one< else

  chloeh ,Are you on a quest to get as many post locked as possible, stick to the debate and stop
Starting vendettas-jo 

If there is no connection they are not going to mind the little tease :)

>If there is no connection they are not going to mind the little tease<

Absolutely! :)

However it would be nice if people had better things to do other than be suspicious,goad,accusatory etc etc and try and stay on topic :)

>chloeh ,Are you on a quest to get as many post locked as possible<

I was wondering the same thing,its starting to become a nuisance to the poor original posters who are only looking for help,only to have their threads railroaded and inevitably locked by the same people :(

So you didn't really mean the absolutely :rolleyes:

>So you didn\'t really mean the absolutely<

Yeah i did Isabel,however i am sure the OP doesnt appreciate it :rolleyes: :( that is afterall what this whole thread should be about and not some childish games,right?

So you didn't mean the absolutely.
Why would the OP have less of a sense of humour than you?

Isabel i like to think i have a good sense of humour and like a good joke as much as the next person :D However i have never found humour >at the expense of others< particularly funny or tasteful.

So go ahead joke and be as humorous as you like :) But leave the >personal< remarks at the door :)

JMHO.

OK, fair enough :)

Oh sara, its just a bit of fun - thats why I used the /:D/'s :D Sorry :)

>Oh sara, its just a bit of fun<

Oh ok fair enough.


As you can probably understand its hard to see the humour when your the brunt of some weird joke :)

Anyway i would rather not be party to this thread being locked to.I would be happy to converse through pm though if its that important and interesting to you ;)

Mind your own business please.

>Mind your own business please.<

Then stop posting your vendettas on the PUBLIC boards,if you have a problem and want to gossip and goad use the pm option! I for one do not want to see yet another thread get locked because of silly paranoia,trouble makers and pettiness!

Do us all a favour and please stay on topic!

i agree with that !!! i have recommended CD to many people , but just this last 2 weeks i have been told by 3 of them that this is becoming one of the "bitchiest" dog boards going and they were not going to use it again. it is the same people most of the time and my suggestion is , that if you cant get along or you have something personal going on between you , keep it private , use the pm facility , or just dont bother posting !!because the OP doesnt get the answer they want or need , they just feel they have opened a can of worms , and usually end up apologising & feeling guilty as if its their fault you are bickering like kids  !!!! i use this board for info , advice & enjoyment , but this sort of constant jibes at each other is getting me down , some of you would be better on Trisha than Champdogs , :rolleyes:

Misstyko, your post made me smile - just at the time I was beginning to wonder what I'd started! I wasn't going to get involved in all this 'off subject' stuff, but I'm sorry this topic has sparked off a heated, and occasionally personal, exchange. But thank you to those who have brought something positive to it! Over the past year, during my "I thought I knew what I was doing with dogs, until Rosie came into my life" period, I have had a lot of support and help from people on Champdogs. There are a lot of really interesting and valid opinions, but these opinions must be respected. Let's just not get personal about it.

Going back to my delicate flower ..... the web site Sara mentioned, www.mordana.com, makes for really interesting reading.

I'll check this one out - thank you!
Karen

This is for bedruthen (spelling!)

CSJ have a new food out called turducken, no rice in it!

I don't think they have chosen the name very wisely ;)  I've given a link to it above, by the way, but I didn't notice the name at the time :D

Thanks for the link; I've checked it out and I've actually got much more choice than I thought. It will be interesting to see whether the results of the allergy testing will support my feelings. I agree with you about the name !
Thanks again,
Karen
  

Allergy results arrived today   Rosie is allergic to beef and lamb, and to a lesser extent chicken, cows milk (duh!), white fish and wheat. For goodness sake what is a girl to do So much for my rice theory:rolleyes:.  I'm going to try the Wafcol Salmon & Potato. Fingers crossed she'll settle on that. Out of interest though, if it is a food which does not suit her, how long would you advise 'sticking with it' should she go through the runs while I'm introducing it??
Regards to all
Karen

If you introduce it very slowly I don't see why she should go through the runs, none of my have when changing to something that did suit them so if it did start her off with an upset it probably isn't right.

If you are still getting the runs after a couple of weeks then i would either reduce the food a little or perhaps look into another one.I am talking slightly soft poops,not the watery jelly kind Alot of people whos dogs gets the runs blame the food straightaway,they quickly change to another food and then another,when often times they are feeding too much,which is always guaranteed to cause the runs!

Poor thing she's not left with much is she. If salmon is too similar to white fish judges choice does venison and potato, and duck and potato food. They have chicken fat though.

The crazy thing is though, that since this last episode, I've been giving her chicken/turkey/white fish with pasta or potato, and she's settled on it rather well!! I've been holding off putting her on a complete until these blessed results came back. Now they tell me that chicken and wheat could be a problem and rice is fine, when in reality I'm certain the rice was doing more harm than good, and the pasta and potatoes were suiting her fine:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: What on earth is it all about. Am I completely wrong and my instincts mean nothing, or are these allergy tests really worth the money they cost? Having said that though, I am quite prepared to accept that beef and lamb may cause problems, but as for the chicken, wheat and white fish I'm completely baffled.  Thanks for the recommendations though Lori, we're on day two of the wafcol - slightly soft poo but not too bad. I shall stick with it for a bit. Cor blimey I had no idea feeding Rosie was going to be so problematic!!

When I spoke to my vet about having one of my RRs allergy tested (funny skin) she said not to bother as she wasn't very impressed by them at all.  To each their own!
I think, if I were you, I'd feed her what seems to work and stick with the diet you've been feeding her.

She might be sensitive to some ingredients but in certain combinations.  I suffer migraines and while I can drink red wine almost anytime there are occasions when it will help bring on a chronic migraine and this is because of other factors combining with the wine.

Also there are dogs out there who may react violently to chicken or beef when its in a commercial food,but are fine with it in its fresh form. These things are never simple and straightforward :P

A few vets wont bother allergy testing as they think it is too innacurate. IMO the best way to find out what a dog is allergic to is by doing an elimination diet,adding one food back at a time.Anyone who succesfully figures out what their dog is allergic to by feeding kibble,with its plethora of different ingredients and additives etc,is extremely lucky or their dogs only have an allergy to a simple protein source. It would be impossible to do an elimination diet with a kibble that lists meat derivatives or veg derivatives etc. as these are the ingredients that change from batch to batch depending on which materials are cheapest at the time of production,one batch may contain chicken,the next beef etc etc.its like a lucky dip :(

Sara

I have to agree with you on this one :P

Karen

On the elimination process though, which is something I am supposed to do, remember it might be a combination that is causing problems.  So even though rice isn't coming back from testing as a problem it might be interacting with another foodstuff that sparks off a problem.