please could anyone tell me why a puppy from a breeder can be priced  £350 with pedigree but no KC papers & £500 with KC papers , when it only costs £12 to register , im confused

Do you mean from the same breeder? The same puppy? If so, it's because they are waiting for a fool to come along so they can be parted from their money

yes Anwen, same breeder , same puppy !! when i asked how much , i was given these 2 options !! never heared this before

Run!!

Hi misstyko, don't like the sound of that at all, very odd.

Never heard of that one either, sounds a bit dodgy to me. Do you know the breeder at all?

I would walk away if it was me.

im going to ring her to ask why , no i dont know her, she was recommended to me. she may even be on CD, so i wont say anymore !! i will let you know what she says about the KC option & why . i thought this must be a common practice i havnt heard of before

Personally I would never advertise my pups with or without papers. All my pups are KC reg due to endorsements.

I wouldn't even consider buying a pup from a breeder that would sell a pup cheaper without KC reg

puppy farming types of breeder often do this, just look at the free adds! They often charge £100 more for kc papers which is rediculous as you say its only £12 per puppy to register. These people often sell bitches for more than dogs, i assume because they are worth more as you can breed them later on.

I saw one the other day 5 year old....free to good home, holding the kc papers to stop breeders applying, but if you want the kc papers with her then the price will be £100 she's not been spayed, so you can breed from her :-(

The mind boggles

Unfortunately many people do this.  I think that some do it and ask more to hope that it stops people from breeding from the ones with KC registration, but I feel that it's more likely for people to breed from them!

I'd run too !!

Dont ask why - just run!

when we found a breeder with a litter due (our second dog same breed) after our initial phone conversation I was then asked if I would like to come and visit her before the pups were born so that she could meet me  then said "if I like you then I will consider putting you on my list" straight talking I like it...we travelled 400 miles round trip twice second trip to see the pups at 4 weeks then back again three weeks later to pick her up .....but I would do it again and would expect anyone who wanted one of my pups to do the same .

I would walk away from this one I'm afraid...

well i dont know if she has read this post , but just heared from her that she is keeping the pup now anyway !!!:rolleyes:

Count your blessings and keep looking to an experienced and reputable breeder.  Did you find her through the breed club?

not through a breed club, but recommended from a breeder from a breed club !! i have now found an exellent breeder who has given me more information and support than i have found on the entire internet , she is lovely and knows all about the breed , she shows, & offers support & advice even to those who dont get puppies from her. she has a litter due at the end of march , so ive got my fingers crossed that her girl will have the puppy im looking for !! and this breeder isnt in Kent 6 hours away, shes only an hours drive away , which is much better for me !! :):)

Glad you found someone :)
btw what breed are you looking at?

hairless chinese crested . :)

Good news :D
are you having another little dachy? :D

as my daughter Nicole is moving out & taking her 2 with her , and you lot on here have got me wanting to get into showing i thought it would be nice to have another breed. i love the chinese crested and have always wanted one. my mum has one too. ive been reasearching them for showing & feel it i t would be perfect for me. im so excited ,:)

Yip count your blessings.  Only buy from breed club recommended people Check the references.

I saw a litter of my breed advertised yesterday for £600 pet bred. No show stock nothing.

The going rate is only around £500 for a pet.    If someone will pay it though the pet breeders will charge it.

I have been trying to find  a cavalier and have had some intresting shall we say conversations, one lady said they had pedigree but where not registered and could not be, well how have they got pedigree?? Another lady said her son bred cavaliers aswell and yes he had one, £400 without registration or £450 if registered, though it had not been registered as yet even thought it is 10wks old, but what conserned me was the fact she let slip she had the mum and she said the stud was join owned, so the son has the pup (apparently breed it) the mother has the bitch and the stud well thats anyones guess, when i asked the lady where she lived she said she did not give out her address until you where about to leave as she did not like it to  be passed around?? Alarm bells where ringing!

>one lady said they had pedigree but where not registered and could not be, well how have they got pedigree??

Having a pedigree and being registered are two different things. There are many reasons why pedigree puppies aren't registered - one of the parents may not be registered; the bitch may be too young or too old for the litter to be registered; she may be over the maximum number of litters registerable; the sire or dam's registrations might be endorsed that any progeny cannot be registered ...

funny that, just been reading my local paper and there are "lassie" pups for sale, £300 without papers and £500 with

well if you look at that list of reasons then you would be right to stay away from such dogs, it confused me why someone would pay £350 for a non registered dog, that in all respect has not been breed for the right reasons but to make money. 

Okay I can answer, but since I come from continental Europe, we register our dogs with FCI. I see KC has different rules, but with FCI pedigree is issued together with registration. You can't make your own pedigree. I just checked my dog's pedigree and it shows 4 generations. I think that's a standard over here. And if someone here in Europe tells you that the dog has a pedigree but is not registered he's messing with you, because that's not possible. ;)

Here in the UK the registration certificate only has the parents listed, not afull pedigree, you can order pedigrees printed by the Kennel Club for extra, but most people like to print or write their own, as yu can then include information that the kennel club don't include on theirs, such as colour, hip scores etc.

Oh I see...... well FCI includes all of that. I can see all kinds of info on my dog's pedigree. Colors of each parent's coat, height of each dog (in cm), show results and so on....

Ory would you scan me one of your registrations/pedigrees.  I would love to take one to show the Kennel Club what we would like for our registraion fee, as I am very disappointed with the forms we get for our money.

To show my girls abroad I have to pay again to get a pedigree and a copy of the Champion certificate (well don't want mine lost).

The Irish Kennel Club do very attractive registraion forms, but they too only have the parents details and health tests.

The Swedish pedigrees double as vaccination certificates and other stuff as well -there's space for vaccination cert notes (i.e. the vet signs your pedigree each time the dog is vaccinated), all sorts of other vet notes, official test results such as character testing etc etc. Same with cats.

That is one of my pet peeves that the eye testing results ahve to be stmped on, and it makes a mess of the certificate.  Surely on the reverse of the certificate there could be 10 or 12 boxes for eye test results, and some for others such as heart etc.

Sure I can do it. I'll scan my Chi's pedigree and I'll try find my Labrador's pedigree as well. Shall send it to you in a private message as soon as it's done......

I have heard of several Chinese Crested breeders that do this, i am a Crested person myself, I have seen the ads too so know that it happens, when people call me i always say do not buy from someone who gives this option.
While i`m here, am i right in saying that the minimum age for pups to be sold is eight weeks, i have always thought this to be the case although no pup ever leaves me before the age of ten weeks. i ask as a lady told me she was told by one breeder of Cresteds that the pups will be ready at six weeks, i was disgusted to hear this and told the person so. Hope i was right. Chris

I wd. run if someone was selling a Crested at 6 weeks.  My breed is a much bigger breed who are up on their feet running around at 3 weeks but I don't sell them until they are at least 7 weeks.  My Pom's I don't sell before 10 weeks and more usually at 12!

this is an interesting & confusing  topic, at what age should puppies leave to go to new homes , "the book of the bitch " recommends 7 weeks , insurance companies say not before 8 weeks & breeders have different ages for different breeds . i found with my dachsie, she had had enough of the puppies by 5-6 weeks old. so the puppies were in a confined area , all wanting constant attention for 2 weeks , ( i kept them until 8 weeks ) i dont know what the benefit is to the pups to keep them any longer , i? opinions people ???? :):):)

I've got a large breed- they're 7 weeks old today.  I'll be starting to let them go from this weekend to next- the more advanced ones are going this weekend.

Stacey x

Mother and other dogs teach them about being dogs, so that they have soem canine etiquete.  this can help stop interdog problems with pups later,a s often new owners don't socialise them enough with others of their own ki9nd.

Mum won't want to be with them all the time, but should be there to discipline them and teach them canine manners.

As for Insurance, had no problems getting them insured with Pet Plan before 8 weeks, though another company wouldn't insure until then.

Mine start leaving at 7 1/2 to 8 weeks, often depending on when the weekend falls.

My breed the pups start becoming very demanding of individual attetnion from 6 weeks and can be very vocal which is very stressful for me with neighbours to consider, but I feel those last weeks with their canine family are vital for a well adjusted canine.  Also I wouldn't like to assess the pups much before 7 weeks.

Mother and other dogs teach them about being dogs, so that they have soem canine etiquete.  this can help stop interdog problems with pups later,a s often new owners don't socialise them enough with others of their own ki9nd.
Definitely.

Mum won't want to be with them all the time, but should be there to discipline them and teach them canine manners.
Yep.  She teaches them dog communication, as do their siblings.

As for Insurance, had no problems getting them insured with Pet Plan before 8 weeks
I always use Petplan too.

Mine start leaving at 7 1/2 to 8 weeks, often depending on when the weekend falls.
Agree.  I will  let mine go to experienced homes from 7 weeks. 'Normal' homes about 8.

My breed the pups start becoming very demanding of individual attetnion from 6 weeks and can be very vocal which is very stressful for me with neighbours to consider, but I feel those last weeks with their canine family are vital for a well adjusted canine.  Also I wouldn't like to assess the pups much before 7 weeks.
I start looking seriously/critically at the pups at 7 weeks too.  From 6 weeks I also give them individual attention, about 20 minutes each evening.  With 8 pups, that's nearly 3 hours.  Very time consuming, but that, to me, is what you do to rear a litter.  I think the last couple of weeks are very important to the development of each puppy.

It's a fine line between letting them go too soon and have them spend weeks of 'solitary confinement' regarding their own species with their new owners and keeping them too long when they can become too closely bonded with their siblings! I find round about 8 weeks to be ideal - they've learned a lot about canine manners from interacting with the rest of their litter and their mum (who always has free access to them) and any other dogs we have (learning about bite inhibition, etc). This is usually remembered after the weeks of waiting for their immunisations to take effect before they can again mix with other dogs.

:):):):):) ive got my new baby !!!! :):):):):): she is adorable :):):):):) a tiny mahogony & white hairless :):):) ill be joining you all at last in the ring :):):):):):): im a bit chuffed , to say the least & only one price offerered & paid LOL !!!!!

Glad you have found a puppy, look forward to seeing you at ringcraft.

thanks :) i shall see you in about 3 weeks !!:):):)

Hi Misstyko, Glad you got your pup, Mahogony and white is so striking, where did you get her from and when can we see pics love cresty pups soooooo adorable if a little cheeky. All the best what are you calling her?. Chris

shes gorgeous caron :) .go onto home page & search for dacshund breeders then go on carons website,her pics on there and shes soooooooo fab :)
so glad youve finally got your baby :)

thanks sarah ! :) she is really tiny , you cant tell so much on the pic, called her Angel coz she really is ....... aahhh :)