hi i brought what i thought at the time was a staffordshire bull terrier which is ikc reistered.he is 5 months old and 16inches at the sholder.i have been told i may have an irish staff or pitull type.any advice thanks

Okay unfortunately I can't help you there as I've never heard of Irish Staffs before (I'm from continental Europe and FCI doesn't recognize any breed by that name), but I'm wondering what is a IKC? Is that like your KC?

The IKC is the Irish Kennel Club (just as the AKC is the American Kennel Club). The term 'Irish Staff' can mean either a Staffordshire Bull Terrier that was born and registered in Ireland or, more usually, a variety of Staff which is longer on the leg than a 'regular' staff. :)

But is the breed officially recognized by that name? Because it that's the case, then I don't see the difference between American Staffordshire Terrier and Irish Staff and why is the first one banned and the second one isn't?

That's a very grey area of the law. The DEFRA leaflet says that 'Irish Staffs' (the leggy ones) can be considered 'of pitbull type' and therefore banned, just like 'American Staffs' - which (just to add to the confusion!) are truly a different breed to Staffordshires born and registered in America!

Yeah, Irish Staffies (the type) have longer legs - personally I prefer them to the 'shorter' legged variety over here and the ISBT's faces are really soft looking too

The UK standard satates that the staffoird should be 16 inches at height so your dog does match this
There are Irish staffords (those that come from ireland) and there are staffords classed as irish- it can get complicated if you dont research

my dog is only 5 months old his mum is 20 inches at the sholder.my pup is intercontinental kennel club registered.he is very leggy.does anyone else have a leggy staff?

I have what might be considered leggy although he is still within standard

Now that 'registry' is not one recognised by any canine authority in the world,a dnI persoanlly think it's initials are such as to deliberately mislead people into thiniing they are purchasing Irish Kennel club registered puppies.

The real IKC (Irish Kennel Club) must be livid that there's another independent 'registry' using their initials. The 'Intercontinental Kennel Club' isn't recognised as an official body by either the British or American Kennel Clubs. You may find this circular, where it references this registry in regards to pitbull terriers, of interest and concern.

Irish staffs is a name for pitbulls I looked it up on google

http://www.igorilla.com/gorilla/animal/2002/pit_bull_trade_england.html

i have had 2 expert judges look at my dog and both have said he is a pitull type .i am gutted he is a great dog,but i have 2 young children to consider.at the moment he would just lick you to death but that could change as he gets older.i wouldnt trust any breed of dog 100percent but what would i do if he did turn as these dogs dont really fell pain.any advice thanks

Tanyas, please don't panic. Just because you've been told he is pitbull type doesn't mean he's suddenly going to change into some sort of monster. I haven't met many Pit Bulls, but those I have have been absolutely fine with people. Most breeds originally bred for fighting are, they have to be or how would their handlers handle them? Nothing wrong with the breed in general, just the people who own them for the wrong reasons. Accept that he may not get along with other dogs when he's mature ( & there are many dogs who don't anyway), take the sort of sensible precautions you'd take with any breed and children and don't meet trouble halfway!
These dogs don't really fell pain neither do most dogs when they are in all out fighting mode - forget all the media hype and carry on with your dog as you did before he was "labelled" . If you start acting uncertain with him and watching out for signs that he's turning into Frankenstein then he probably will - because he's picked up on your anxiety. Relax & remember how lovable he is. He doesn't know whether he's a Staffy or a Pitbull & wouldn't care he he did :D

the vast majority of Pitbuls in other countries that are owned by responsible people are no trouble at all.

It is the fact that they were choen by certain elements of socuiety and aggresive specimins deliberately bred fom unpredictable and savage parents for use by drug dealers and criminals that ahs caused the troubel for the breed, because of their powerful build.

My auntie has a Pit Bull and she's the sweetest dog. We can trust her with kids and animals...she loves them all!

i have an irish blue staffy which is great with kids and other animals  and yes so many years ago the staffs were breed with pitbulls to make the irish but this was a while ago, my irish has not got a pure pit bull in her 5 generation pedegree  because as they get bred more and more the pitbull is getting wiped out (if u get wot i mean)iam not very good at exsplaining any way they r lovely dogs to own and ur children r quite safe with this breed

Tanya
who were the expert judges? :rolleyes:

>>>i wouldnt trust any breed of dog 100percent but what would i do if he did turn as these dogs dont really fell pain.<<<<

Tanya have u spoken to his breeder?

one of the judges who looked at my dog was a kc reg judge.and the other was a friend of a friend in the police who is an expert in identifying dogs(pitull types).on tuesday my pup is being castrated and microchipped,which is a shame as i wanted to stud him when he was old enough,his pups would have been lovely.does anyone else have an irish sbt?

and the other was a friend of a friend in the police who is an expert in identifying dogs(pitull types).

Don't forget that a LOT of the so called experts both in the police AND in the RSPCA and vets that identified dogs as Pit Bulls under the DDA identified everything under the sun as PitBulls.............. including many crossbreeds and even registered Staffies.

good point.the breeder i got my pup from has not returned my phone calls,last time i spoke to her she mesured the mum to the sholder for me and said she is 20 inches to the sholder.my pup is intercontinental kennel club reg,i spoke to ed reid and was told i have an old type staff,do you know what that is?my pups dam has kklue and kk stasia in her 5 generation papers which are irish staffs,anymore advice please?thanks for everyones replys

i found more evidence on website keetchs irish staffords,look under blue stud dogs,and go to smiths blue bandit and look at the name of the dam which is magical mistique which is the mum of my pup.the breeder told me i have a full sbt not irish staff

the term 'irish' was introduced to differentiate between the old tyme stafford which imho look the best.......... more leggy n athletic in type where as the kc type are more stocky............ so called 'experts' couldnt tell u a pitbull if they were watching 1 as the apbt is a variety of dogs with a variety of features looking from a lab to a staff................. i own 2 irish 1 from blue bandit n domino and she is loving and loyal.......... as for this 'turning' fear IT DOESNT HAPPEN the media made this up all u gotta do is look at the historical facts to the pitt breed.............

1. originally bred by working class for fighting
2. kept within a household of 6 or 7 children all sharing the same space

if the dog ever showed any human aggression whatso ever then it would be taken away by dad n 'disposed' off........... in turn what this meant was that all the human agrressive dogs were unable to rear off spring eventually creating a breed where this gene now is almost extinct..........however extinct does not mean cannot be learnt and unfortunately mindless idiots have retaught aggression to the pitt
so does the blame lie with the breed?............ i dont think so