Why why why why ???????? 

What are some of these so called designer or newly mixed breeds that you have come across advertised ????

So far today:
Cocker poo (mum cocker and dad a miniture poodle) £500........what on earth ??
Cockerlier (cocker and cavalier spaniel)

Why do breeders feel that they have to breed 2 different breeds together to make a new one???? And charge so much so obviously for the £££££££££££

Fools and their money are soon parted.

They are people using their dogs to produce puppies and make money.  I don't call them dog breeders cathh5. 

Its called irrisponsibility caused by unscrupulous people out to con others out of their hard earned money by putting a designer lable on a dog.PLEASE make it known that handbags and shoes are designer fashion items and not animals.

Stafkita is the new designer breed round here as there is a certain large element trying to breed the most viscious and scary dogs they can by crossinf Staffs and Akitas.

Bev

I once saw a young couple that have set up kennels in London that were advertising all kinds of mixed bull breeds.Their web page had a nasty looking snarling pitbull on a leash with a studded coller,straining as if to bite. Why do people do it? I really can not understand why they want to breed these dogs to be inevitably destroyed through no fault of their own. I wish i could name the kennels but i know i cant. :(

Their main clientele are people with inadequacies in fundamental areas. ;)

And who store their inadequate brains in another fundamentally inadequate area of their anatomy! ;)

And then get a dog as an extension to that inadequate anatomical appendage where they store their brain. :rolleyes:

:rolleyes::D

There will be loads of dosh for the person who designs the ultimate penile extension dog ;D

Judging by the emails I dlete and block there are those making money from such things already :rolleyes:

Try reading page 19 of the Independant on Sunday Feb 5th edition,..... thats why these puppy farmers churn out "designer" dogs........ enough said!

Guess that would be about the same reason that people still buy dogs from the small adds, where the same ad is showing puppies available in 5 or 6 different breeds

I saw an ad the other day for a newfie x, £500. People must be either stupid or bonkers to part with so much money for a mongrel.

Something on the BBC website about this:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4684770.stm

Puggles are apparently being sold for upto £3000. 

There was an article about this in the sunday times last week.  OH was going on about puggles and labradoodles.  I'm afraid I declined to read it as I don't agree with designer crossbreeding but I fear these "celebrity nobodies" are doing the dog world a bit of a dis-service.  Plenty mongrels in the rescue centres if that's what they want to go for.  No need to breed more.  My opinion only.

CG

Fiona Phillips was going on about Cutesy Puggles today on GMTV I could of smacked her one!  If people like her are going to promote them then we have no chance of advising the gp that they are being done

I can't imagine anything worse then mixing an Akita with a Staffie, both in the right hands wonderful dogs, but in the wrong hands as a breed are bad enough but crossed, it just scares me thinking about it.

££££££££££££££££ and ignorant stupid people.  People should get off their fat arses and get a job!  At the end of the day they are cross breeds.  People should be educated about such 'producers' and why they call them designer breeds I dont know?  They are not a breed.  They arent recognised by the KC so they are crosses.  People should vote with their feet so to speak.

What about Alaskan Klee Kais, they are a very recent 'breed' made up of crosses. Where do you draw the line?
Becky

Yes but they are trying to breed to a certain standard, not just putting  breeds together for a stupid name!

Even so, I think that there are enough breeds in the World that meet all demands without adding any more.  Says a person with a rare breed :d

TBH, I can't see the point of Klee Kas either. Why not a Swedish or Finnish Lappund or an Iceland dog or a German Spitz or a Japanese Spitz etc. etc?

hope u don't object but thought the following might interst u ???? the Alakan klee kai was first bred from the alaskan husky hence Alaskan.
Klee Kai comes from the alskan word meaning small dog. The first litter was an accident but were kept by the owner and only further bred after others showed an interest, (mainly people who loved the husky breed but did not have the space ). The breed has been going since 1986/6 so not that new. It is being closley monitored by the breedeing circle and there are only three breeder in the uk that are know of 2 in england 1 in scotland. This breed has been to cruft as a new breed and both the american clubs that are involved are going to band as one so that it may be accepted in england. Perhaps whilst putting the dog world to rights we may take a little time to think of the animals that have to live with the stigma of being a cross breed they do'nt care as long as they they are love and cared for,can't say the same for humans.

Best wishes to all who take the time to read this.
Luv & stuff
vikkie & shadow

So Vikkie, what advantage does the Alaskan Klee Kai have over established Spitz breeds of similar size/coat? Breeds which have been around for 100s rather than 10s of years and which breed true to type and size. I'm asking because I really would like to understand why people spend 2 or 3 times as much on a "new" breed than on a well established one.

You say 'the first litter was an accident'. What were the parents? Or were they all mutations (the chances of a whole litter having the same genetic mutation being somewhat remote)?

At the end of the day, aren't the breeds we have today a result of cross breeding many moons ago?

Yes they are waffy but with one distinct difference they were bred for a reason and not to just make money :d

But the point is we have quite enough breeds already, some in danger of dying out. With modern knowledge we know that the reason we have some of the breed health issues we do is because deleteterious genes became established due to small gene pools (often caused by accidental/deliberate/essential overuse of an individual carrying an unrecognised problem).

It would be very difficult to establish a new breed with a sufficiently wide gene base.  There would have to be huge numbers bredwith very strict selection (and homes found for the surplus) to establish it, and I don't see this as a responsible thing to do when there are plenty of dogs, pedigree and crossbred already.

There are literally 100's of breeds and there is enough variety for anyone prepared to do a little research.

I can see no practical need to develop any new breed when the original purpose of many breeds has now died out, and will continue to do so in our ever modernising society. 

Sled dogs, sheep and cattle dogs are being largely replaced my machines, and many activities for which dogs were bred have been banned.  Most dogs are destined to be purely pets.

I also fail to see the 'Stigma' for the dog or owner attached to being a cross breed other than the breeders largely showing they are irresponsible.

The history states and alaskan husky and a small dog. Looking at the breeds shape i would suspect it would have been a schipperkee. I know that this breed has been used in recent years. I do know that the breeding programme is closed and the waiting list for this breed is quite long. If this dog never makes it to crufts as a breed i am quite sure there will still be a market for them. One persons love is another persons hate.
Thanks for the reply
Luv & stuff vikkie & shadow

mainly people who loved the husky breed but did not have the space ).

another example of humans messing with things to make them suit their lifestyle.  it annoys me.  if you dont have the space or time or money for something you want, then tough! 

i dont have a problem with cross breeds, but there are plenty already in the world who need good homes.  why make new ones that serve no purpose other than looking pretty or making money.

Was just about to write something along those lines myself, when we was deciding 'which breed' we looking in to the Klee Kia as we both loved the malamute and husky, but as the OH is in the army and we move around 'now and again' we can never be guarented a large house or garden, the Klee Kia was the right size for us.  I rang up the two breeders in the U.K and read as much as I could find on the net about them and I read what vikkie posted and that made the breed even more irisistable to me, I wanted a breed that did not have lots of inbreed ailments due to wrong, poor and over breeding and with the Klee Kia been reasonable 'new' they have very few health problems, plus they are so edible!
The reason we did not get one at the time was two factors, one I really did not want to be dogless for much longer and there was no planned breedings in the country in the forseeable future and secondly our daughter was only 6months at the time and free cash was limited, Klee kias was 1000+ at the time.  If we was not moving to Gran Canaira in September this year I would put my name on a waiting list for one as Alfie is 1 on Tuesday (28th) and would love to get another one dog now hes calmed down a bit!!  But the hassell and expense of emergrating one dog, two kids and the OH is enough for me right now so am going to have to wait for another year until I can have another hairy baby, just hope I can find a TT on the islands.
Thank you Colette.xxxx

Please remember that your statement that being "new" means they have few health problems is not necessarily correct. Being "new" means that there has been very little time to ascertain what health problems they may be prone to. :(  Hereditary problems can take years to come to the surface and a good number of generations need to be health tracked.

Unless the breeds that they are made up from have no health problems (unlikely) then they are going to have the same health problems past the first cross as the parent breeds, accaserbated by inevitable inbreeding when trying to establish a new breed with inevitably few founders.

This is one reason I feel it most unwise to try and develop new breeds as to do it safely requires huge numbers to be bred from different lines, then the offspring selected and bred from then reselected for the right traits (back to reduced gene pool) so the whole process would need repeating on a huge scale.

Lets work at eradicating problems caused by bottle necks aned reduced gene pools like this in the breeds we already have, plenty of scope for pioneers.

hi feedee.
Thanks for the vote, Did u know that if u were prepared to home a older dog it would be cheaper. Shadows breeders sometimes get dogs back for one reason or another and are always looking to re home them. Regarless of wether its a pup or older dog they still require a lot of attention, but most of them are alredy chipped and vet checked so i wouldnt take much to get a pet passport. There is also an american adoption agency who ship to most parts of the world, but they are neutered b4 you adopt and will not be sold any other way.

Happy birthday to Alfie. My baby is 21 in march time flies so make the most of it. I've been lucky a first class son ( no problems ) fantastic dog. Can't say the same about the other half but he bought me the dog so he can't be all bad.

Good luck in your travels if u need any further info don't hesitate to contact me.
Luv & stuff
Vikkie & shadow

Isnt it a bit worrying to be getting dogs back on a regular basis?

Why would anyone promote someone who seems to get a lot of her dogs back.  Surely this just shows that either the temperament, the health etc. is bad, or the person is not very good at vetting the people who come to buy them, or that she has so many she doesn't get the chance to vet the people :rolleyes:

I saw a chihuhua yorkie crosee for nearly £700. I wouldn't mind a yorkie cross but I'm damed if i'm paying more than a purebreed yorkie.

as I understand it a GSD has only been around for 100 years so thats quite new really, and where would we be without them! I dont know where to draw the line, Im not against new crosses in principle but I think that breeding anything that tends towards the dangerous and away from good traits is a bad thing.

If all this "designer" breeding was done for a halfway decent purpose it'd be understandable. My own breed, the Jack Russell terrier, are the result of many and various crossings in order to get a working dog that was right for the job. But these "designer" breeds are bred for one reason and one reason alone - greed! And all the while that people are gullible enough to pay outrageous sums of money for a crossbreed (not least because they seem to view their dog as a cute accessory!) then the beastly business will continue. 

A really bad example of a designer made breed is the so called Merle Chihuahuas. I have kept and bred Chihuahuas for almost 27 years now, I know all about the breed, and the genetics too. There is no way that a merle can come about naturally in Chihuahuas, its totally impossible. It is suspected that 10 years ago a breeder  in the USA crossed a Chihauhua with a dachshund and got the first merle. They then repeated and crossbred these, until they created a merle colour with blue eyes. They are therefore NOT purebred, but crossbreeds. Money has made them popular in the USA, and thus increased inbreeding goes on, and the US Kennel Club gave in and registered them.
The breeders of these do NOT care about the breed, because they have created a little dog with major health problems. Genetic blindness and deafness. So many deformed when born. I heard of a litter of four born this week, two born deformed and dead, one born without an anus or a tail, that had to be destroyed immediately. The survivor having to be hand reared.Yes they are nice to look at, but at what cost? NO they are not purebreds. They are purebred merle dach/chi crosses. A so called designer breed, under the guis of beeing a Chihuahua. Fortunately the UK KC has not acknowledged them as a true Chihuahua colour. For a merle coat and blue eyes, what suffering eh?

From what I have read the AKC is concidering not registering 'Merle Chihuahuas' any more.
Lots of US breeders that I correspond with on some other forums are up in arms about it.

And every one of them argues with the genetic evidence of Merle not being a pure Chihuahua and they all claim never to have had any congenital defects with their pups. Which is rubbish because last week one of those breeders was asking advice on if she should take back a blind and deaf Merle pup she sold last year - she didnt want to be because the dog had been neutered and thus she couldnt breed him, but she had a purchase contract with the people that bought the pup.

Anyway Im rambling.

i saw merle chihuahuas recently for sale on epupz- claiming to be 'rare'. I also see people advertising 'rare' blue staffies for over £1000 when i am told there is no such thing as a blue staffie- i think they said it is a shade of grey. Great danes that used to be called 'mismarked' are now called various shades of merle and go for a lot of money too. one person was even selling 'rare' black mini schnauzers when black is quite well known. i think these people are obviously just trying to sell their puppies- at any cost!

I saw on animal planet once that black mini schnauzers are not as common as the other colour, is it salt and pepper? Don't know much about schnauzers:rolleyes: It was also said that the giant schnauzers were usually black and that the other colour was not so common. It could be that these people are using this to claim their dogs are rare, I know I have never seen a black mini schnauzer. Unfortunately people always want something different

my girl as i've said before is a bullmastiff crossed bordeaux ,she cost my OH £500
we just went to wot one would look like and ended up getting her :rolleyes:
we got told she was crossed  because of the problems both breeds get with their hips and so on
to be honest at the time i wasnt looking for a dog:rolleyes: but now i think it was the best thing i ever done

Now how would crossing two breeds with problems prevent problems?

Too true Brainless. I had a rescue Rough Collie x Golden Ret once (not deliberate mating as far as I know) and she had TERRIBLE HD.

yes colliemad salt and pepper are the most seen colour in minis- followed by black and then black and silver. Giants are usually black but there are some salt and peppers around, same as standards are usually salt and pepper but there are some blacks around! i wouldnt call the colours 'rare' though. I did enquire about wheaten scotties once and couldnt find one anywhere so perhaps that would be classed as rare.

I was once told by a supposed breeder that red and white border collies are rare and therefore they cost more:rolleyes: They are not rare, there are lots of them about you just have to know where to look ;-) Never heard of a wheaten scottie, didn't know there was such a thing? I wouldn't call black mini schnauzers rare either, maybe less common is a better term ;-)

Red ones are rare (true Red varies from yellow to Red with black pigment) but Browns/Livers/Chocolates (brown pigment) are pretty common.

just seen another one... wait for it ....... dachsjacks miniature smooth dachshund cross jack russell £350 !!