my pup puepa is 6 months old and i love her to bits. if given the chance she would follow me around the house where ever i go. she isnt clingy but just likes to keep an eye on me. she always wants to know what is going on, needs to know the why, wheres and hows of everything. my other pup lupin is nothin glike this.

however one thign about puepa is she seems to be very strong willed and stubborn. she seems to want to do everythign on her terms. she isnt naughty, she dosnt bark, she dont chew. she is quite a serious pup dosnt see the point in catching a ball, woudl rather chase and play with other dogs.

if i ask her to sit even for a treat she is liable to sniff the treat turn her nose up and just stand there looking at me. if i ask for her to sit again she will make a grumble and sit.

if i ask her to come to me in the house she just sits there looking at me. if i walk towards her she dosnt move.
you knwo those dogs that sit in froutn of a door and you could open the door and slid them across the floor and they refuse to even batter an eye lid, well she is liek that.

and on walks her recall has gone from good to non exsistant. i knwo have no choice but to go back to basics with her and keep her on a long line,. however she spends the hole time ignoring me on the walk. dosnt want to interact, just grumbles if you keep asking of her. she dosnt pull, she stops when you stop ect.

now the other day i spooted a lady with an english bull terrier and she said she had quite a lot of expeeirene with the breed and they said they are knwon to be stubborn and obstinate (sp?).

my other pup despire being handled and brought up exactly the same way has perfect recal. she does sit, stay, down, heel, and will do "go find".

she dosnt pull on her lead and i can trust her.

im in no means comparing the 2 pups. puepa is very dominant, lupin my other pup is submissive.

is there hope of this changing or is this her breed?

on a good day on her terms puepa has perfect recall, she sits, she fetches, she stays. but its on her terms. so it isnt that she dosnt knwo what im askign of her. its like she decideds weather she can be botherd of not.

Sorry, wolfwoman
I've got nothing useful to add but I love the picture I'm getting of Puepa - what a character!
It's also interesting having two dogs of the same breed yet nothing alike in temperament so it can't just be a 'breed thing',  can it?
And they say bitches are easier than dogs...

I was under the impression both your dogs were crossbreeds so how could it be a breed thing? It sounds to me as if you need to motivate Puepa more, including finding better treats. :)

Me too - and from different litters so unrelated  

I agree with Goldmali - my brother's dog, Tia (dobe X rotti) will forget you exist the second you walk out of the door, but if you use the right treats - ham, chicken or liver - she'll respond much better, and very enthusiastically.

I have heard that english bulls can be very stubborn - but I've not had personal experience beyond a 16-week old boarding puppy!

yes they are tottaly unrelated,tottaly diffrent breeds, size, temperment.  but i was gettign at the fact that both were brought up the same way by myself.

puepa is a crossbreed. but we know for certain she is out of a pure bred english bull terrier x with a pure bred lhasa apso. and she definatly takes after the english bull terrier more, with her movement, build and ways.

Reading your post I was thinking is it a shih tzu you have, but I see it isn't. As you could have been describing my shiddie, she does a lot of that type of thing and the breed are know to be very stubborn, as though doing certain things are beneath them, lol.

Both her parent breeds are self willed, so not surprisiong really

ah ha that explains it then brainless, and also another good reason why breeds should not be messed with.

both my dogs are stubbon must be something to do with the bull breed lol ones a english bulldog x old time american bulldog , and the other is a bull masitff x bogue de bordeaux 

Other stubborn types anyone?  Spitz breeds, Tibetan Breeds, Terriers, .........

Both Lhasa and Bull Terriers in my experience are stubborn independant dogs, they like their people a lot, but on THEIR terms. I know of more than one Lhasa who has to be pushed as one would push a car on walks, or they will not move, they want picking up but obviously the owners dont wish to do that (they both love walks, and its not the journey to the park thats a problem as on the way home they walk quite happily).

Why would xbreeds NOT display characteristics of each breed involved? I can tell you my collie x springer x gsd displays characteristics from all three breeds in his make up, he is busy adn thinking and willing, excitable and nervous adn vocal...... my beddy x whippet is sensitive yet fiesty, his firey side is very typical of his bedlington background.

My saluki x grey is almost ALL saluki in temperament!

You can do so much with training, and a lot comes with age, but breed characteristics will show up, hence you need to tailor your training methods to each dog, which is why there is not and never will be a 'one size fits all' training method!

Em

I have 2 bedlingtons, the oldest one has had thousands of hours of training, and still is as stubborn as a mule - no command will be obeyed without a bit of a debate, are you sure you want me to do this?  why don't I do something else? :rolleyes: doesn't really matter what treats are on offer :rolleyes:
The youngest one is completely the opposite, just say what to do, anything, let me do it - I'll do it :rolleyes: Soo biddable :) 

I don't think that is what is being said, what is meant is that in a crossbreed it is hard to tell which traits will be most likely.

for example people think that a GSD x Sibe will be more biddable than a Siberian yet all those I am in contact with have found that anything crossed with any of the Spitz breeds tends to take after the independent northern breed than any more biddable breed it has been mated to.

I found that with my Afghan cross :)  His temperament followed the independant, aloof Afghan more than the lively terrier ;)  and although he had excellent recall it took years of creative training to acheive :D