"Springador" (springer spaniel x chocolate labrador) £POA (< which I'm assuming is Personal Offers Accepted) *hmmmmmmmmm* :rolleyes:

Price on application??????

I have no idea - dread to think what they're asking if thats the case though! :rolleyes:

POA = Price On Application. Very common in adverts for expensive items. ;) 'Springadors' have been around for ages - usually used by people work their gundogs. However the ones I know who've had them find them useless - too scatty to work and too hyper to have as a pet.

In my experience POA tends to mean in excess of 1000 pound.

In my experience POA means you can't afford it!
Becky

6 years ago ,my friends "sprollie" cost her £25 each, i guess today they would have added a 0 on the end of that

This is going to sound horribly controversial but i just want to point out some of the good points of a 'designer breed' that some people might not have thought about. For over two years my family and i have been looking to rescue a dog but i found out that i was allergic to all the ones we looked at. A few months ago (before all the publicity about designer dogs) we encontered someone with a 'labradoodle' which is a labradorexpoodle and i did not have any reaction to it and after we researched the temperaments of both the breeds involved in the cross and the combination of them sounds perfect to fit in to our family life. We knew we could not have a pure bred labrador because i know a few and i have a reaction to them when they shed and although i was keen on getting a pourebred poodle, but my husband, (who took alot of pursuading to get a dog anyway) did not like the idea of them at all. After alot of thought we found a respectable 'labradoodle' breeder who was not charging a ridiculous amount and chose our puppy. we know we are taiing a risk but the mother and father both have lovely temperaments. I can see why people have negative opinions of them, but perhaps people should try to be slightly more open minded before critisizing.

Okay, I'll bite! ;)

>we found a respectable 'labradoodle' breeder

A non sequitor, I fear. Statistically only 50% of such a cross will be non-shedding - if they were advertising the puppies as being hypoallergenic ...

yes im aware of that so we spent a lot of time with the puppy before we chose her and also with her parents and the labrador hardly shed (at all acording to the breeder) and the poodle obviously didnt shed at all and we also chose the one with the densest, curliest hair.

and they did not advertise them as hypoallergenic

the labrador hardly shed (at all acording to the breeder)

Coughs and splutters!!!!!  Would somebody who lives with a Labrador like to comment?

Our last labrador died in 1997. I'm still finding the occasional hair when I clean behind the cooker.

How old is the pup now? You won't know until she starts to get her adult coat (at round about 9 or 10 months or so) whether she's going to be a 'shedder' or not. Until then it's a gamble. What will you do if her coat causes problems? Another case for rescue?

There are other breeds around that look like Labradoodle's where you could be sure of how their coat would be if that was the allergenic problem.  What would of happened if the pup that you had ended up with had the Labrador coat?  You could of had a lot of problems and the pup needing a new home.

Including a purebred poodle if it wasn't clipped.  Many people don't like the hair style of a poodle, but there is no reason why they can't be left shaggy faced and not clipped into a coifured shape.

respectable 'labradoodle' breeder

I'm not sure that those words can be used together??!!  Have the parents both been eye tested and hip scored as both breeds have problems in those areas?

There are many non-shedding breeds that can suit sensitive people (not only Poodles if your husband has a problem with them) although many people are sensitive to the dander and not the coat. I have a family who have a passion for Rough Collies but had a ginger haired, very pale son who swelled up within 15 minutes of being near to them.  They found a product called Petal Cleanse and have now lived with 2 Rough Collies for 3 years!

So you see there really is no reason to produce cross breed puppies apart from making money.:)

yes im sorry ,they can be. im sick to death of you all tarring everyone with the same brush.
i KNOW a one. & unless you want to call me a liar???????

I'd be very interested to read their breed standard so I could learn what the breeders' aims are - what their 'ideal' example would be. Perhaps you could ask your friend if it's anywhere on the net. :)

But aren't they still just crossbreeding?  First generation crosses.  Can hardly call the breeding a breed??  Or have they advanced their breeding program?

are they really saying they are creating a "new" breed though????? OR just breeding a mixed breed that "gels well",that they have fallen in love with.
IF they have homes, IF they are healthy,IF they will take them back,IF the parents are well cared for/health tested,as long as they arent making false claims.i really dont see the problem.
if you go on any labardoodle website,it CLEARLY states the different coats etc that you can get, & not all charge 4 figured sums of money.

Sorry but Labradoodles are been exploited like all of these other Designer mutts. I have just searched the web and found many many Labradoodle breeders in the UK who are charging from £650 to £950 which is way too much for any dog without health checks, history, pedigree etc.

And YES alot of Labradoodle breeders do claim they are a new breed with a so called standard!

Many of the people breeding these dogs Michelled are only in it to MAKE MONEY! Sad but true, very few of these people have good intentions.

Thats just the way it is, many Pedigree breeds also are exploited by people like this and Puppy Farmers. There is a side of the world of dogs that is very very sad. Breaks my heart what some poor dogs go through just because alot of people ( buying puppies ) aren't aware of whats going on behind the scene. We need to stick together and be the voice for dogs that is why we need to educate people. Thats why we have events like Discover Dogs and Crufts. :)

the lady who breeds near to me,is not a puppy farmer.are you calling me a liar?

No I'm not calling you a liar, you have read my post the wrong way, at no point did I say you were a liar!

But I'm not friends or associate with people intentionally crossbreed dogs, puppy farmers, backyard breeders or otherwise!

At the end of the day people are exploiting Dogs to make money and it is WRONG!!!!

I believe this kind of intentional crossbreeding without a purpose, for the latest must have dog is WRONG!!

:)

Added - I did use the words many, alot & some not ALL!

If she has good quality bitches, whcy woudl she waste their potential on producing crossbreeds.  If they are breedign quality and she loves theeir breed they shoudl be enhancing the quality of their own breed?

Owning bitches myself I couldn't for a minute concieve of wasting their potential and few available opportunities of contributing to the future by wasting their litters by breeding crosses.

Of course there is always the chance that she is doing back to back matings - the "designers" alternated with registered pedigrees.....nice little earner :(

This is an interesting article about them. By the way, almost every site that google turns up refers to them as a 'breed', even to the extent of saying:
"The breed is not recognised yet by Kennel Club."

Another one here..

http://dogladybarks.homestead.com/oodlesofdoodlesandlhasapoo.html

Good article and good links from it. :)

>After alot of thought we found a respectable 'labradoodle' breeder

Definately an oxymoron....no-one who deliberately crosses two perfectly excellent breeds can be classifed and respectable or responsible...

>we know we are taiing a risk but the mother and father both have lovely temperaments.

Then why take the risk!!!Surely buying and raising a puppy should be a well thought out plan, from a respectable breeder with the knowledge of her breed to give you and your pup the best information and good guidance throughout the dogs life....   Risk....If I thought this when purchasing a pup, I would certainly think twice about it.....

>the labrador hardly shed (at all acording to the breeder)

Lie number one, and if she has fed you that line...what are the chances of other little fibs????

All Labradors shed (moult) considerably.....twice a year in particular, each dog filling a minimum of at least one carrier bag per day for around 6 weeks......

Labrador Crosses moult too.....remember they are half of the Labrador breed and possibly of the Lab genes will come through in the pup....there an no guarantees with a cross as to what your pup will turn out like....could end up with 95% Lab and all the problems that come with it....

Tell me....is it really worth taking the risk, simply to line the pocket of an unscrupulous breeder....and yes, the breeder does deserve that title....No respectable breeder would consider this pairing let alone go through with it.....

The biggest breeder of labradoodles in Australia, who incidentally is a founder member of their "breed club" has recently introduced my breed into her labradoodles (which then obviously makes a nonsense of the name! ) to try and reduce some of the health problems. She considers herself a respectable breeder and on her website explains that she does back to back matings for the benefit of the bitches

could we see her website please? id love to hear how back to back matings can benefit a bitch??

Have P.M'd it - dont know whether its allowed to post it on here

evilbeak72

I'm trying to be open minded but still feel anybody breeding these dogs are exploiting them, which is awful and just curning them out just to make money.

I meet a man in the Park yesturday with a Black Lab x Poodle which was a nice looking dog. I chatted to him and asked if he was a Labradoodle and he said yes, and I said I hope you don't mind me asking how much did you pay for him? He replied £700! I replied thats alot of money for a crossbreed most pedigrees aren't that much, he's a lovely dog but don't you feel that people are exploiting them? He didn't really have much to say after that, except when he bought him they weren't that popluar which only last year?

Bit sad really, but while people like this chap and yourself buy then types of crossbreeds you are feeding the demand which leads to these poor dogs been exploited.

Are the parents for your Labradoodle puppy health checked and tested? If the breeder who say is actually respectable does health checks and provided you with the relevant proof of this then thats a good start. Yes, you have taken a risk with your puppy as temperament alone is not enough, I wish you luck with your puppy. 

it means if you have to ask you cant afford it!!

We had a springer X (choc?) lab, polly, she died last year at the grand age of 17 and was the most dizziest dog ever, but the best family dog, my son whos 4 learnt to walk with her by pulling on her spanial ears to steady himself and she never minded (of course as soon as I got to him he was removed from her) All my dad paid for her was 20, just to ensure a good home they said.  would love to have another but totally refuse to pay that much for a xbreed!!

I wish you all the luck with your new dog, evilbeak. But at the end of the day you've bought a crossbreed so I do hope the breeder didn't lighten your wallet too much! And I'm sorry, but if I had allergies that meant I had to be especially careful about the coat of whichever breed of dog I bought then I'd want to be buying a purebred pup so that I had some degree of certainty. Indeed, I'd want oodles and oodles of certainty which, sadly, is something you'll never get with a crossbred dog.

PS. I've no problem at all with crossbreeds, because I've owned several lovely muttley dogs. But I didn't try and pass them off as other than what they were. Lovely dogs whose ancestry remained a complete mystery!

brainless they were referring to the brown ones:rolleyes: red may not be the correct term but it is the one most commonly used

Someone asked me the other day about Labradoodles,I'm glad she did as I soon put her straight.She wanted a non shedding dog and was under the impresion a Labradoodle would be ideal:rolleyes: I did a quick Google for a list of low shedding breeds(she's not allergic,just didn't want too much hair) and I was shocked to see one of the first pages that came up listed dozens of "designer" crosses that they claimed would be suitable

After explaining how much time,care and dedication both Poodle and labrador breeders put in to trying to improve the breed she saw my point that NO responsible guardian of either breed would purposefully cross it with another.She's now looking in to local shelters :)

I have read and considered all the replies and yes, you are all making fair points.

I would like to point out that the mother and the father of the puppy i am getting both have fantastic hipscores and relevant health checks including checks for SA in the poodle.

I would also like to say that a long way back down the line, all dogs have been crosssed to make them the breed that they are.

I am aware that you cannot guarentee the temperament of a cross breed, but that is also true when choosing a 'purebred', and if you have observed the temperaments of both the mother and of the father, and like them, then the risk is not that great.

Also, if you are planning on having a dog as a family pet and not intending to show it (which is something that i personally feel exploits dogs more then crossbredding) then it not being a member of the kennel club is not a big issue.

As for my allergies, before i realsised i was allergic to cats, we adopted two, and even after we found out the trouble i was having was caused by them, we kept them until they both died of natural causes when they were very old. That is also going to be the case with the puppy, but if there is a chance of having a dog that would not cause me to react, that would be even better! ( thank you very much for mentioning the petal cleanse- will look into that if neccesary!)

I appreciate your views and i hope that you will oalos consider mine and other people who have the same opinions as me

>I would also like to say that a long way back down the line, all dogs have been crosssed to make them the breed that they are.

Absolutely agree. And as I said before, my breed are classic examples of many crossings. But all these crossings were done a very long time ago to create the Jack Russell terrier. A dog that was designed to do a very specific job! As it happens, the KC don't recognise short-legged Jacks like mine, only Parson Russells but despite his lack of paperwork, at least he wasn't created to line the pockets of greedy "breeders" who are tapping into an ever more gullible market!

if you have observed the temperaments of both the mother and of the father, and like them, then the risk is not that great.

Not true in my experience the grandparents have even more influence that the sire and dam.

Hope you don't mind me asking but what scores does the breeder class as fantastic?  Just being nosey really :d

Good that the breeder also DNA tested the Labs as well as you state they have had all the health tests done

And just why do you think that showing "exploits" a dog - if you think they dont enjoy it then you are speaking from ignorance. If this breeder has health tested her breeding bitches, can you say with any authority that she is not breeding pedigrees one season then crossbreeds the next, and if so, HOW can you be sure???

I have seen an advert today for pups, "buy one, get one free".    The spelling was awful but just about managed to read the ad.  It was for 2 Cockerdoodles, 5 weeks old tomorrow, must go, hence price of only £400.   Good bargain, you won't find a better deal, can throw in their crate. 
When people can write adverts like that, it makes you realise that the person only thinks of the dog as an object and money maker.  Also seen some "Pookies" for £375, and Lhasapoo's, why is it that they wish to cross a poodle with any dog that's available?  It's an insult to the Breed of a Poodle. :rolleyes:
Also saw an ad saying "Stud Dog to Rent", there was no mention of what breed it was or a picture, but went on to say it had 24 Champions in the bloodline, "Will breed with most breeds". Then at the very bottom of the page mentioned about looking at their website which was for Bull Dogs. I emailed them and said well would you let your dog mate with a Poodle, and back came the reply, yes if you want him to but we like him to go to Lurchers and Greyhounds????
Different advert but same dog said, "Earn £3,000+ from your SBT bitch", obviously intended for thick people just out to make money. Is it since we have been able to access the Internet, all these horrible ads are appearing?
Some of them sound as though they are selling a piece of furniture or a car, instead of what should be a well loved animal. Also people who state they have been Breeders for 30 years, and can't even spell the dog's Breed name properly, or say "Bread" instead of Breed.

i also saw the cockerdoodle ad and emailed to say there is no such breed, its a mongrel and they have just replied with 'you people dont know what a mongrel is- look it up and then get back to me!' i have just replied saying a mongrel is any crossbreed dog but rather pointless i think, they obviously think they are right!  i also saw the earn £3000 ad and couldnt believe it was a bloke putting his dog for stud!

"Also, if you are planning on having a dog as a family pet and not intending to show it (which is something that i personally feel exploits dogs more then crossbredding) then it not being a member of the kennel club is not a big issue"

Have you actualy spoken to or met any breeders that show?That definatly was not the impression I got.I don't want to show my dog but did want the very best example of the breed that I could find with all relevant health tests and care taken.That would not be what i would have ended up with had I gone to a "pet" breeder from the free ads.I think it's a bit much to come on a show dog site and say showing dogs exploits them.Showing dogs is a way for breeders to evaluate breeding stock,to make sure their dogs meet the standard.As I said I don't show or ever have any intention to but have the upmost respect for those breeders that maintain the breed that I love in the correct way which does include showing.

Also dogs adn their owners enjoy it.  Thsoe that don't don't do well and there is no point taking them.

My lot go absolutely bananas, they love the fact they are going to be centre of attention al day, they love meeting all their human and canine mates and enjoy showing off.

Yes,that's definatly the impresion that I got :) I think there is alot of ignorance surrounding the whole dog world,people want a certain breed for it's looks or temperement but have no clue or respect for the fact that alot of dedicated people have put the time and effort in to maintaining those things:rolleyes: