Is it correct that raw and cooked should not be feed together, as in the same meal..?

My 23 month old Dobe currently has Burns kibble with raw tripe for each meal. He used to be feed Naturediet until a couple of months back, and it was actually Amelie who suggested feeding raw tripe with the Naturediet as we could not keep the weight on him (She said tripe alone as a meal in itself may pass through too quickly and cause the squits!).

I have since read that raw and cooked should not be combined as the two digest at entirely different rates. He doesn't seem to be having any problems with this.

Any thoughts?

Thanks :D

Hi,

I don't really know much about the different rates of digestion for cooked versus raw but just a thought as you are having difficulty keeping weight on him - Burns is known for being a lean food, a lot of dogs do loose weight with it, I think it's very low in fat/oil compared with other equally good quality completes.  It may be worth trying him on a different complete if your looking for him to gain a bit of bulk.  I think Arden Grange is a great food, also know of other people who feed and have great results with JWB.  Sorry not really helping with your actual question!

Karen

Hi Karen,

Sorry, I think I've confused you :D What I meant to say was that we had trouble keeping the weight on him when he was on Naturediet. I was in email contact with Amelie who works for them and she suggested adding raw tripe, which did the trick. He is now on Burns with raw tripe and is doing excellent weight wise - I was just unsure as to whether I might be causing some problem to his digestive system in the future, in feeding cooked and raw together. I hadn't heard of it being a problem until very recently, and have just googled it and some websites do seem to be saying not to combine.

Thanks for your thoughts anyway :D

It doesn't take a lot to confuse me. Doh! :-D

I've fed mine raw and kibble in the same meal with no problems for very many years - my current oldie is 13 and extremely healthy, and has been fed like this all her life. :)

Sure that others will come along with advice who are far worthier than me :D

I would try to avoid feeding raw and complete together. They digest at different rates which is not necessarily good for the gut, particularly if you have a breed that is predisposed to bloat.

I don't feed my dogs complete food but used to several yrs ago. They used to have raw tripe in the mornings and complete in the evenings. Must say that I've never found feeding my dogs tripe alone  caused a "dire rear" :D

But as has often been said,  if your dog is thriving on the food that you are feeding without any ill effects then there is no reason not to continue. :)

Thanks everyone :D

Wish I worried about my own diet quite as much! Just sitting here now drooling over thoughts of the steamed chocolate pudding I can hear calling me from the kitchen :rolleyes:

I might try the tripe by itself, just to see it it has any adverse reaction   If it does then I might just keep combining with the kibble as he doesn't seem to be having a problem as of yet. Difficult to know what to do for the best.

I would try to avoid feeding raw and complete together. They digest at different rates which is not necessarily good for the gut, particularly if you have a breed that is predisposed to bloat.

Hi Hairypooch :)
I feed Molly autarky kibble and raw chicken. I didn't realise this would have that effect. I know Maddie bloated but she was on a different diet altogether. I think I will try raw one meal and complete for the other, definately don't want to chance that again :(
Out of interest, Maddie now has cooked potatoes and raw chicken mixed, its the only food at the moment she can have and it is totally agreeing with her so is it just the kibble not to be mixed with the raw?

Dee

Some say that, but I feed my Dobe girl tripe or mince beef\lamb, mixed with Arden kibble and cottage cheese, yogurt, hard cheese pasta, pasta sauces and just about anything I've cooked that night like mash potato(she loves)and gravy. Basically she has whatever I have to hand, a very varied diet. She doesn't like it mixed up, rather likes it divided up and she selects a bit of this and a bit of that. She also has big fat bones in the garden plus pigs ears and her breakfast is 3 chicken wings, raw. She looks well and never suffers tummy upsets or constipation. Yesterday we both had free range scrambled eggs on buttered toast for lunch(she has soldiers)  She's a happy healthy girl and I'm happy with that. I fed my greyhounds on this menu for over 25 years and they lived long healthy lives.
If your not carefull you can get hung up on feeding but I guess it all really depends on what your happy with. It's easy to see with a Dobe if they are doing well and you'll soon know if your getting it wrong.
I'm sure others will come along with ideas about salt content and calcium etc. This feeding regime is only my opinion, you'll have to make up your own.

Thanks for the ideas! I can just imagine your Dobe tucking into her soldiers :D Our current Dobe has a very sensitive stomach (we were amazed when he turned out to be fine with tripe), but our last Dobe would also eat a bit of everything, like yours. Whenever we tried to mix it all up to get him to eat his kibble he'd take big mouthfuls, suck all the tastier stuff off the kibble and then catapult them back out onto the floor, piece by piece

I bet you could almost hear him say "Blahhhh" They are so funny.

If your youngster is doing better and her tummy is OK, then I'd say carry on as you are. Tripe is great and very underestimated. Just think, cows eat grass and herbs and just think of all that greenery being fed to your dog and the beauty of it is, that they have no idea that they are being good and eating their greens!

Aren't they :)

Tripe is very underestimated you are right. Our vet looked at us in horror when he knew we were feeding it.  But in actual fact it was a godsend for our boy and was the only thing that we found which worked to get some weight on him - he was very ill with gastroenteritis at 5 1/2 months (on a drip for 4 days in vets) and was underweight for a very long time until we discovered the joys of tripe!

Not sure he'd be too pleased about eating greens :D Although saying that our first Dobe used to love brussel sprouts - shame her bum didn't

Some people say NEVER to feed cooked and raw together,as cooked/dry food takes 12 or more hours to digest and raw goes through quickly in 6 or less hours,the cooked food holds the raw in the stomach longer which can cause bacteria etc to build up such as e-coli,however i believe healthy dogs do not get salmonella and e-coli,so who know\'s

I know plenty of people,myself included who mix cooked and raw and never had any issues,however others have nothing but trouble. I suppose if your dog does well on it,his poo\'s are firm,no vomiting than your dog is one of those that does fine with cooked and raw in the same meal :)

Thankyou Sara (and hairypooch ;) )
I do add a powdered pro biotic to one meal of the day (Maddie's) and am really happy with the 'outcome' :P
Like people say tho, what works for one may not work for another. :)

Dee

Sara,  one can never comment with confidence on raw and dry mixed food together unless one is a canine nutritionist with many years of experience in all aspects. I personally find it dangerous to make statements such as  

>cooked/dry food takes 12 or more hours to digest and raw goes through quickly in 6 or less hours,the cooked food holds the raw in the stomach longer which can cause bacteria etc to build up such as e-coli,however i believe healthy dogs do not get salmonella and e-coli,so who know\'s

I really would reserve judgement until I had certified proof/experience if I were you :rolleyes:

 

Hairypooch,i have no idea what your\\\'e trying to say Which part of my post did you find \\\"dangerous\\\" and why?

Have you never read articles written by canine nutritionists and passed on what you have learnt?

Please excuse all the ////,everytime i use the aphostrophe button it adds a couple of //

Hairypooch are you going to respond? What you said can not be left without a follow up post IMO to explain what on earth you are talking about :).

Sorry Sara, inbetween working and running a very busy household, as I hope you understand, CD isn't always my main priority ;)

Seems we are misunderstanding one another here :)

I really don't see how "cooked food" can hold raw food in the stomach and cause bacteria to build up. Please elaborate.

IMO, it's never a good idea to feed cooked and raw together unless they are fed a minimum of 8 hours apart. Just my opinion, certainly not written in stone :D

I've read many articles written by so called canine nutrionists but don't feel that it is my responsibility to pass on what I've read unless I've witnessed the benefits/pitfalls for myself.

It's a very complex subject and one that I think we should err on the side of caution of when making sweeping statements. This board is read by a lot of people and I would hate to think that they would make a decision based on something written on here (not meaning you or anybody in particular) that may not be necessarily accurate. :)

>IMO, it's never a good idea to feed cooked and raw together unless they are fed a minimum of 8 hours apart.

I've heard this before, but can't help comparing it with human digestive process - who waits 8 hours after eating their steak before they eat their salad? ;)

Yup, see your point JG :D But I'm not predisposed to bloat....well not in the "torsion" way, just in the "these trousers are a bit tight today" way ;) :D

I eat my steak raw anyway, so no problem with the salad :P

:P :P
But I'm not predisposed to bloat....well not in the "torsion" way, just in the "these trousers are a bit tight today" way   like it :D

>I really don\\\'t see how \\\"cooked food\\\" can hold raw food in the stomach and cause bacteria to build up. Please elaborate.<

Cooked food takes alot longer for the body to digest,where as raw food passes through rather quickly which is why IMHO dogs do not suffer from raw meat bacteria issues,because it doesnt stay in the stomach long enough for bacteria to take hold.However if the body has to work twice as hard to digest cooked foods which obviously takes longer,the 2 options of feeding raw with cooked could be,ALL the food passes out quickly leaving some/most of it undigested OR the dog wont poop until the food has been digested and is on it\\\'s way down which leaves more room for digestive problems and bacteria problems for immune compromised dogs. This is just my theory and what i\\\'ve picked up over the years,soem agree,some disagree..ce la vie :)

>I\\\'ve heard this before, but can\\\'t help comparing it with human digestive process <

You can not compare human and dogs digestive process :) Dogs intestines etc are miles shorter than ours,they eat,digest,poop much more quickly than us :)

>they eat,digest,poop much more quickly than us

Serious question - quicker than under 12 hours from intake to 'output'? Using sweetcorn as a marker ;), that's how long it takes me ...

>Cooked food takes alot longer for the body to digest,

Yep, I agree. Cooking food changes it's molecular structure.

>where as raw food passes through rather quickly which is why IMHO dogs do not suffer from raw meat bacteria issues, because it doesn't stay in the stomach long enough for bacteria to take hold.

See this is where I take issue. IME, raw food doesn't pass through particularly quickly. My Barf fed dogs do not produce anywhere near the waste of other alternative fed dogs that I have owned in the past. Raw fed dogs do not suffer from the usual bacterial issues,  not because it doesn't remain in the stomach long enough but because all dogs stomach acids are considerably stronger than ours, thereby destroying any harmful substances a lot more efficiently than we do.

That is not to say of course that dogs do not ever suffer from bacterial stomach ailments. They do and I fully understand and appreciate that immune compromised dogs sometimes do have different dietry needs, depending on their particular health issues. :)

My dobes currently get some Burns in the morning (soaked) and in the evening they get a bag of stinky tripe.  I am however making the switch from complete onto natural next week    Sandy email me your diet sheet please..... :-)

One night last wk my dogs had lamb ribs & pig hearts between 6.30 & 7pm. In the hall I had an unopened 2.5kg bag of whole wheat mixer & as we cam in one of the girls did a quick u turn unnoticed by me. Dogs went in their beds & I went in kitchen to do our meal. Couple of hrs later I noticed her missing, after I`d searched the house I opened the porch door & yep you`ve guessed it there she was with the by now half epmty bag of mixer on the floor looking like a huge pudding :rolleyes: Gave her a couple of buscopan & ended up staying on the settee with her till nearly 4 in case of bloat.

She finally vomited the pieces of mixer, nothing else only them around 1ish lunchtime the following day & they looked just like they do in the bag just softer They`d stayed undigested inside her for about 18hrs

Turn your back for a minute Christine and you get self service :D

Seriously, I'm pleased that she came to no harm ;) Bloat terrifies me!

I've had dogs in the past that have vomited up their kibble 24hrs after the event, despite eating other things inbetween times and it's always amazed me.

*Turn your back for a minute Christine and you get self service *  You`re telling me H/P :D :D

Boy tho she was quick, must have nipped behind me quick as a flash & of course I`d seen her come in so I thought & shut the door behind me leaving her locked in the porch with the goody bag She must have eaten about a kilo of the things by the time I noticed her missing & of course she just wanted to flop on her bed & sleep it off :rolleyes: little b***er   She was fine during the night & was only late morning I could see she was uncomfortable then not long after she gave em all back to me almost unchanged :D :D

It`s the first time I`ve seen both raw & dry food be eaten & seen the dry come out like that so long afterwards, I was amazed too.

Had a few close calls with bloat & its made me very aware of any danger of it now :(