this is what i found on epupz- i look on there occasionally as im keeping an eye on a breeder near me selling her pups on there.

anyway found this advert- under a search on pugs-

Pug x Bichon Frise These pups have been bred specifically for the new designer breed called the Pugon. We have 1 Dogs and 2 Bitches. All Black some with white paws or white chest. These pups will be no taller than 12". Can be seen Mum and photo supplied of dad. These pups have been home bred and well socialised with other dogs, cats and children. Non moulting and with minimal odour, ideal for allergy sufferers. Wormed regularly and frontlined. Ready Now £450.00

i sent him a message asking why?! so sad and irritating!

when i quoted epupz people moaned at me for advertising the add for them! Anyway,how can they say non-moulting? i thought pugs moult? and i know that labradoodles can even thought they are crossed with poodles!

Again, I would ask why on earth give these greedy breeders extra advertising :rolleyes:?

Every additional exposure only helps them!:rolleyes:

Chrisjack (and others)... why on earth, if you are so unhappy with these type of sites, do you all constantly advertise them??????  All you are doing here is giving strength to them by sending them higher up in the search engines......Please, regardless of your concerns, do NOT keep acknowledging them!!!!!

IF every time you saw an advert for these crossbreeds instead of getting cross or upset, and posting your feelings of anger and upset here, you were to donate a £1-00 to an organisation such as WAG the anti puppy farming organisation and/or to dog rescues who will be picking up the pieces of this vile fashion trend, we might get somewere towards making somethng good however small out of this.

How about this? You post
"I have seen an advert for a crossbred ........... I am so cross people are cashing in on this vile fashion trend, that I have donated £1-00 to..............."
You fill in the gaps.

:D Thats more like it! good call polly.
Something constructive can come out of preaching to the converted/ promoting to the un educated. Like it :)

When i saw the name I thought it was some sort of a bird :rolleyes: .... what a stupid name and what a sad thing to see. I hope people are smart enough to stay as far away as they can!!

I did some research into the Puggle (purely curiousity for this weird craze of breeding strange crosses) and was quite sickened by the health problems the pups and mothers suffer/risk   Also, yes the pups look "cute" but when they grow into adults, because there really is no way of knowing what they are going to look like due to the total lack of 'standards', the vast majority (based on the several hundred pictures that I've viewed from "breeders" websites in the States) look quite wrong and pretty unappealing bless them.  I wonder how many people will buy them as these adorable pups and then be taking them to the rescue centres when they've matured into something which resembles a Frankenstein version of either the Pug or the Beagle :rolleyes:

Why can't Poodle, Labrador and Pug Clubs get together and do an advert in a  well known paper advising people regarding buying such crosses.  It would be much more useful.

If they do nothing then in my eyes it appears that if the Breed Clubs don't care enough then it's no wonder that people are buying these stupid named x-breeds.

I think you'll find that most clubs, and certainly individuals within them, do indeed try to educate people properly about these things. Unfortunately clubs aren't made of money, neither are reputable breeders so you just cannot afford to keep paying out for adverts. I do know that the KC advertise in many of the Yellow Pages and I think they do in Exchange and Mart as well so not sure what else you can do. If the mindless cretins out there insist on having a dog with a bizarre name at a huge expense then there is little you can do about it other than insisting that ANYONE who breeds is registered/licenced?
Becky

Surely if they all got together they could afford a big advert in a top paper!

It's no good just educating those people who are members of a Club.

I doubt unfortunately that any of the people doing the cross breedings are members of any Clubs so nothing much can be done to them!

Maybe they could all get together and write to a few papers and see if they can put a good article together which won't cost them anything?  You never know, surely it's worth trying something to stop these stupid crosses going out of control which they look as though they are getting close to doing!

Forgive me for being stupid or misinformed, but I thought cross-breeds were pretty common? Looking in the local papers you see lots of cross-breeds. I always understood why people prefer pedigrees (I have a pedigree Yorkie myself) but I was never against cross-breeds. What I have seen on this forum has really confused me. Surely most currently accepted breeds were the product of cross-breeding once? I know Yorkies were - I forget which terriers were crossed specifically, but I think a Skye Terrier was involved somewhere because mine looks very similar. Likewise, a few hundred years ago people started breeding smaller (minature like) Yorkies with longer coats. I don't like these kinds of Yorkies and am glad mine is a curly-haired kind. With such variety within a breed, how can cross-breeds be so wrong? My poor dog suffers blindness and diabetes. She is KC registered and from a reputable breeder. We saw both parents before we bought her. She is lovely in temprement but has suffered health wise, despite being a pedigree. Don't get me wrong, I am totally appalled by the notion of puppy farms and overpricing 'designer' pets but if a dog is healthy and happy, what's the problem? It seems like breed snobbery to me. A lot of people on here seem disgusted by people thinking Labradoodles, for example, are a real breed. So what if they do think that? As long as they don't attempt to bring to them to Crufts, why does it matter?

A curly-haired Yorkie? The standard calls for the hair to be "perfectly straight (not wavy)". Are you sure there's not another breed tucked away in the background somewhere?

As far as I know, we got a family tree and both her parents were KC registered too. Surely they can't be registered as pedigree if they have other, recent, lineage? She is fairly big for a Yorkie but then her mum was quite big too. She is gorgeous though

It's possible that a past breeder cheated and registered a cross. :(

we seem to have "bigger" wavey coated yorkies here too!

I've had big, wavy (woolly) coated Yorkies booked into the parlour, with l o n g legs and the size of Cavaliers!  Pet owners think that because their dogs have pedigrees, (which after all is only a collection of names and means nothing if you don't actually know the dogs involved,) if they are mated to their friend's 'pedigree' dog down the road, then they will be producing 'pedigree' puppies!
If you mate dogs together that bear little resemblance to the breed standard apart from having 4 legs, a head and a tail, then you are going to produce puppies who will also be poor examples of the breed, and will be the wrong colour, wrong coat texture, wrong size and temperament. :(

Goodness me, I better tell Pepe and Tobey they are NOT the right design...wot with them being under 7 pounds, having straight hair and doing well in the Shows...just goes to prove that Judges know nothing!!! LOL :D :D :D

.... always soooooo sardonic :o yawn.

Did I upset you Huskygal?

Well on returning to my computer this morning after logging off around 4pm yesterday to find numerous PM's from you demanding (amongst other comments) to know why I dont have the courtesy to respond to you.. the answer unsprisingly would be yes!

I dont hide my status if you look at the bottom of forum you can always see when Im on line. so before you sent me multiple harranguings for not responding to you perhaps it might have been more pertinent to allow me the opportunity to do so firstly!? :rolleyes:

perhaps a calm moment, BIG mug of tea and an open mind and review your recent posts concentrating on the way you speak to people,and how many, might surprise you? and the names that you called me in your private message... might they apply also.. truth to tell?
Apologies for hyjacking the thread.
And appologies (sincerely) If you did genuinely feel bullied by my comment Newfie,it wasnt meant from that stance,my fault as I had you down as a tough cookie ;)

My Yorkie isn't a show dog. We didn't buy a dog for shows, we bought her purely as a pet. I think I may have used the wrong phrasing saying she is curly-haired - her fur is simply thicker and wavy - not dead straight and shiny like the show dogs. But then we chose her because we preferred that look to the typical show dog style. It all comes down to preference in the end! I have been thinking about getting a Tibetan Terrier - my aunt has one and he is lovely. Does anyone know anything about the breed, or know of any breeders in the South East?

i dont know much about yorkies cleoB but i think show ones have their coats trained and specially cared for over the years- thats why they wear curlers to keep them off the floor! I imiagine the coat takes years to grow long and if left unattended would probably curl up, correct me if im wrong.

>A lot of people on here seem disgusted by people thinking Labradoodles, for example, are a real breed. So what if they do think that? As long as they don't attempt to bring to them to Crufts, why does it matter?

Actually it matters a great deal because these stupid "designer" breeds aren't bred with any sensible regard to the results and are, in most cases, bred irresponsibly to meet the needs of people who want an accessory rather than a dog. There's absolutely nothing wrong with crossbreeds but a good, honest "Heinz 57" crossbreed isn't the same thing at all! For starters, they aren't advertised for sale at ludicrous prices that suggest the potential owners are getting some special sort of breed when, in reality, they are buying crossbreeds and not necessarily a sensible combination of breeds either!

My own dog is as purebred a Jack Russell terrier as that mixture of breeds can produce but JRTs aren't recognised by the KC precisely because they've developed from a mixture of all sorts! However, they were bred to work, not sit in handbags until they go out of fashion and are dumped in favour of a bizarrely crossed "must have" breed.

As for Crufts, I doubt very much that I'll ever make an appearance at that esteemed event, but it doesn't stop me caring passionately about responsible breeding!

Apologies, Roz, I wasn't suggesting people shouldn't care about responsible breeding! I am just confused about how you are supposed to tell if a dog is a harmless cross-breed, or a so-called designer one, bred with no morals? I also had no idea Jack Russells weren't recognised by the KC. That is bizarre when they are such a well known dog in this country. I know nothing about breeding though, really, you guys seem to be the experts - that's the only reason I was posing the questions on here in the first place. I didn't intend to offend anyone.

The most noticeable difference between a 'regular' crossbreed and a 'designer' one will be the name and the price! ;) One will be called a "XX/YY cross" (insert appropriate breeds) and sell for about £150, and the other will have a mishmash name and sell for several hundred pounds!

>a harmless cross-breed, or a so-called designer one

The difference, to my mind, is the former is an accident, which you hope was attempted to be avoided, but can happen anyway for all that. The latter is a planned attempt at capitalising on a fad and carried out regardless of what extra pressure that adds to the rescue of all the accidental crossings that have occured.

"[...] I thought cross-breeds were pretty common?"

Yes they are 'common' and tend to have much less health risks as those associated with a specific breed often don't materialise in a cross   The concern people have on here is not with cross breeds/mongrels its with the planned mating of two very different breeds to create a 'designer breed'.  These "breeders" have no concern for the health or welfare of their animals and sell potentially unhealthy pups for extortionate prices :rolleyes:  A genuine cross breed is the result of an 'unplanned' mating.  The price asked for these pups is generally mainly to cover the costs incurred throughout the bitches pregnancy and whilst raising the pups until they are old enough to go to homes i.e. it should not be for profit!  Hope this makes things clearer :)

Yes, thank you peewee. From looking about on the internet it seems these designer crossbreeders are more popular in the USA and Australia? I suppose that's why so many celebrities seem to be buying these dogs...they can afford to spend silly money on them. I guess I just feel sorry for the poor dogs!

It could be the cost. Newspapers at national level are expensive and running such an advert in the dog press is yet again preaching to the converted. So here's another idea......

Look at my post above where I suggest anyone seeing such an advert and gets mad should fill in the gaps, why not make a donation to the clubs for the sole purpose of running an advert?

okay- i'll shut up and go away then- im sorry if i brought attention to this advertisement, was just miffed.