What 'power' does the KC have over accredited breeders?

a breeder i know is accredited (their sister is and she breeds under their name) but her dogs are kept in very bad conditions. the bitches are kept in dirty stables 24 hours 7 days only seeing people when fed or mated. pups smell so bad you can't look over the door without urging and they are all thin.

i don't think rspca would be able to do much about it as they are fed. they have no access to natural ligh, one even has a washing machine pushed against the wind so she cant see out (or be seen?)

i wondered about informing kc but could they do anything?

this woman has just got 2 new bitchs from a loving home under the pretence of offering a ood home, but in reality to breed more and more valuable pups. they have only been there a week and she is frantically searching for a stud dog as one is due in season soon.

what can i do. this lady is a friend but i cant stand the way she looks after her dogs and whenever i say anything she has an excuse.

ideas?

Helen

Anonymous phone call to whoever is likely to listen and do something

I would start with the RSPCA or the local council if they are a licenced breeder, if no joy with them no harm in talking to the KC.

I would inform the KC - at least it should be easy enough to get her "KC accredited" removed.

Also you should inform the RSPCA.  If the smell is that bad and the stables are dirty, plus the dogs are thin, they should be able to do something. 

I think it would be rather worrying if someones accreditation could be easily removed without any kind of investigation.  As you say the RSPCA should be informed and if anything results from that I am sure the KC will act accordingly.

I didn't mean (or say) "without any kind of investigation" Isabel.....

Sorry, it's not clear from your wording.  You said it should be easy enough to remove and then went on to say also inform the RSPCA, do you mean you thought the KC would investigate? 

No, I meant 2 separate things, which is why I put them in 2 separate paragraphs.

The criteria for a KC accredited breeder are quite a bit higher than the criteria for being deemed fit to own a dog by the RSPCA.  I would hope both organisations would investigate anyone's concerns along these lines.

I've never known the KC conduct the sort of investigation where they might visit premises for instance, generally they only take action as a result of a court case, for instance.  The accredited scheme is quite new and perhaps they have, or intend to, train inspectors but they never seemed to as regards the breeding code that has been in place for many years before this. 
This is all by the by though, I still hope that it is not "easy" to get your accreditation removed and that it does take a thorough investigation by someone as one can see the pitfalls if it was :)

It is so hard when they are a friend - good luck

Hi on champdogs general board there's a woman called Moreen email her and i'm sure she will let you know what to do, put a stop to this woman, it's a disgrace people like this with dogs.  Good luck anyway.

Warm regards susan

Some of these accredited breeders are laughable - I know of someone in my breed who is an AB but has never bred a dog in her life. 

Can't imagine they have bothered paying the fee unless they intend to breed.  You do have to give a statement of experience when applying.  There are many people that have spent years in the show ring and even judging that have never bred, perhaps due to circumstances, that have far more experience, understanding of the standard, pedigrees and eye for a good dog than some who have bred a number of litters so I would be inclined to keep an open mind about who is justified in being admitted to the scheme.

Hi helen, Phone the R.S.P.C.A. dont give your name. They will act quickly in the best intrest of the dog like you seem to have.I know its a tuff one.They will not allways remove a dog.The will talk to the owner, mabe give advice,or a threat that seems most needed.the kc is a complete waste of time.There not intrested except dictating breed standards to breeders,what they think the dog should be.They have runied most breeds of dog.The staff is half the size it was,the british bull dog can't breath.Nearly all foundations layed down by them cause problams in dog breeding.Unless there taking your money,there not intrested.

victorian staff - I know you are very protective of your `type`  of staffie but a lot of people on this forum prefer the KC standard staff & have never had any problems with there KC bulldog.

Please dont call other peoples breed of dog as we would not think of calling yours :-(

I do like long legged staffies / irish staffie / pitbulls etc so please dont think I dont.

If the KC did not set breed standards there would be no breeds :-)  as everyone would have a different view of the ideal & not 1 would look alike!

It's not the KC that set the standards it's the breeders.  The standards haven't changed for many breeds for years but the breed has!  So this has nothing to do with the KC but people's opinions on how the breed should be!

The RSPCA don't always follow things up either, so I wouldn't go over the top about them either.

I also know many BB's that are fit and healthy, go on long walks and are able to breath!

Sadly this KC accreditied breeder thing is not great.  I havent joined because they let ANYONE join.  They really need to crack down on the backyard breeders who are on this scheme as they are giving the scheme a bad name.
I would defo report her the RSPCA and KC and possibly the breed clubs so they are aware.

Thanks for all of your input.

Firstly, you must excuse the errors in my OP as i was trying to type with my baby on my knee!

It is a bad reflection on the state of animal welfare when i can't think of anyone to ring that would actually help these poor dogs. :-(

I don't know if RSPCA would help but might be worth giving it a try.

Her horses are in the same condition. She got a mare on loan to breed from and when her owner came to visit her and the foal she took them home the next day as she was disgusted at the state of her mare. The mare was like a hat rack and the foal wasn't much better. The lady in question said she couldn't keep weight on the mare as she was a wind-sucker, but the owner had shown her with a foal at foot before and even showed us a photo of the mare with her last foal. What a difference.

This lady stands a stallion at stud and any visiting mares go home in-foal but thin.

Ironically she tells everybody she rescued her bitch as the people who had her before kept her locked in a garden shed all day !!

Apparently this bitch 'has' to be kept in as she jumps up when she is out. Any wonder?!

The second bitch is waiting for her first litter (due in season in the next month) this dog was orginally going to live in the house but that lasted about 5 days and now shes in the shed. The door of this shed faces the door of the house and the lady has to walk past the poor thing every time she goes in or out.

Now she has got 2 new bitches and i dread to think how they will be treated. They are still in the 'honeymoon' period at the moment and living in the house but for how much longer ......?

I'm not saying that dogs MUST be kept inside to be well treated, our dogs used to live outside and still do occasionally, but these dogs are  kept in isolation ALL the time.

I have forgotton to mention a terrier she has. 2 y/o and NEVER been out of the shed. Oh, once she shut it in a feed bin to catch a rat. The bitch (!) just runs up her door all day.

I'm sorry to go on and on but i just want to give a sense of what these por animals are going through. Whatever time of day you are reading this those dogs will be in their prison cells. And all the time until you look on Champdogs again they will be in there.

i can't help but feel that in some way i am as bad as her because i don't do anything about it and i still help her with her horses and stallion. But i just don't know what to do

Helen

Hi, am I allowed to ask what breed they are please???:rolleyes:

GSD +  (new) Irish Wolfhound

I would deffo ring the R S P C A.  I reported a poorly keep dog  to the    R S P C A, and fair does they responded straight away, they took the dog away.  It's their duty to that's what they are paid to do.  Do it Do it now this should not be allowed to happen in this day and age.   Poor dogs !!