I just had my 10wk old westie in for his shots and when we got him home - 15 mins after leaving the vet- he was panting and felt very hot to the touch. I called the vet back and he said there was nothing to worry about.

I walk back into the TV room only to find my fiancee shoving the bean bags we have in there and coffee table out of the way because the pup was having a seisure.

We bundled him up in a blanket and rushed him right back to the vet. Who didnt seem at all phased by the seisure and again said it was a common occourence and not harmfull.

We took my boy to another vet immediately and he was very concerned. The dosages etc were correct when administered but it seems that my boy is seriously allergic to the medications.

We had MRIs done and there are no brain leisons that could cause seisures and theres no sign of epliepsy. The new vet also took some blood samples and is going to get back to me regarding future booster shots. The vet also said that there are medications that can be administered before a shot to prevent reactions. But now Im not too sure about getting his next jabs.

I really dont want to have to go through this again and REALLY dont want my boy going through it.

I just want some advice. Should I continue with the shots should the vet o.k it? Or not

Please make sure that your Vet completes an adverse report form.  If he won't, then please do it yourself.

The original vet didnt. But the second did. And Im completing one of my own in place of the one the first vet refused to file.

Well done.  Many Vets are reluctant.  If these forms aren't completed, then nobody can have an accurate picture of what's going on! :(

Hi Lior
Sorry to hear about what happened to your pup, I hope he recovers OK.
If it was me I would take this as a sign that vaccinations are not advisable for this particular dog. It's a fact that some dogs do suffer very severe reactions.  I lost my own 6 year old terrier after a booster shot so I'm not prepared to take the risk with my current dogs.

Hi Lior
I'm so sorry to hear about you puppy I hope he is ok. Thank God you went to another vet; I would place a complaint in about the first one.
xx

Sorry to hear about your pup L :(

I really don`t think there are any meds to stop an adverse reaction to vax, unless your vet is a homeopathic vet & he`s talking about a homeopthy remedy. And even these can`t stop it tho they`ll maybe lessen it.

What are the blood samples for, titres maybe?

For now its best to wait & see what your vet comes back with or you can ask for a referal to a homeopthic vet & discuss your concerns with them :)

Oh & good for you & your vet putting in a report of the reaction :) many vets don`t bother :(

The vet is a lovley little Chinese man who also practices wholistic animal medicine and accupuncture.
I beleive he too the sample to check his white blood cell count as there was quite a lot of swelling and heat at the injection site, Im not sure though I was so worried I forgot to ask.

My little guy is doing much better though. Still not his usual self and understandably so.

Im so angry that I was told the whole thing was nothing to worry about and his seizures were normal.

By the sounds of it he seems a good vet L :)

*My little guy is doing much better though. Still not his usual self and understandably so.*

Glad hes a lot better, pleases remember   Vaccines should only be administered to healthy animals

I don`t blame you 1 bit for being angry.

I am amazed at his unconcern.

A dog I bred went for his booster (differe3nt vaccibne to that used previous years),

They had not been able to park right outside the vets buyt had to walk a litle way.

After they ahd finished they walked out with him, qand he colapsed and they had to carry him back.

He had anaphylactic (sp) shock and if they had been parked outside the vet they would ahve put him straight in teh car and driven home by which time he may have been dead.

Alergic reactions can be life threatening and he needed a large dose of antihistamine.

Interestingly the vaccine manufacturers rep was in the surgery at the time, and his owners made sure the problem was reported.

Sorry to hear about your pup Lior.

I've had this happen to me with my 2 current dogs and one other before them. Not going to go into it here as it's a long story, as is often the case with vaccinosis :rolleyes:

Suffice to say that I also went down the route of trying to get a Vet to acknowledge it and report it but all to no avail :(

Pleased that you've now found another Vet ;) I have a fantastic Homeopathic Vet who got my dogs back onto the road of recovery and they are now (touch wood) extremely happy and healthy.

Research the subject, very time consuming but very worth it.

I have found a new vet and hes wonderful. A lovley old Chinese man who practices regular vet medicine as well as using traditional Chinese medicine and accupuncture.

Hi

Just read your post, so sad to hear you had a bad time with your little one.
I have been through this too (unfortunately) to worse effect, so please do look into the other options for vaccination, i.e titers testing, homeopathy before you go forward and do the 2nd vaccination to your dog.

My beautiful Spinone Ollie had a major reaction, now found to be due to the booster vaccination he had last Feb. Since that booster was given Ollie has suffered intensely with severe epilepsy, all in all suffering around 188 seizures the past 11 months since diagnosis.
We have endured trauma beyond what most people would tolerate, and the upset is beyond hurt sometimes, but we do carry on because of the love we have for our dog and his absolute fight to carry on.

Please do think about these next vaccinations, maybe read a few books prior to the second jab even so you can positively gain more of an insight. "Shock to the system - what vets don't tell you about vaccination" Catherince O'Driscoll is a good start. OK, Yes, there are risks from each form, i'll hold my hand up high enough and say it really is a can of worms. But now your dog has shown evidence of a reaction please think carefully.
I would absolutely hate any of you out there to suffer what we have as a direct result of vaccination reaction.

i bought a Border Collie 14 weeks old last sat, took him next day for his jab the vet said he has a stomach virus and he would not give him a jab till he was better, that evening he had 2 seizures and i immediately took him to the hospital. Distemper was diagnosed.
seems like he had a 20% of getting through the distemper virus and more than likely have nuerological deformities together with re occurring fits brain tumors and/or brain damage

Distemper is a DEADLY VIRUS ***I STRONGLY ADVISE ANYONE NOT TO TAKE A CHANCE LIKE ME AND BUY A PUP WITHOUT ITS JABS***

PUP COST ME £300 AND VET FEES SO FAR OVER £400

EMOTIONAL DISRESS TO OUR FAMILY***PRICELESS***

no one should go through this all because the breeder didn't pay the £30 jab fees!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Everything comes with a risk factor, even the MMR jab most do it some don't
its a personal choice that may need to be respected

Helen There is no need for the caps(which is considered shouting & rude on the net BTW). Sorry about your puppy but others also have the right to their views as well

I lost a healthy Cavalier due to reaction to his booster shot & I personally have no immune system as such because I was given multiple vaccinations when I was 20

. My dogs are titre tested before they have their puppy jabs(I have a fully qualified friend who does this at cost) & if they need vaccinations they get them. that is the only vaccinations they ever have or have needed despite there being outbreaks of Parvo etc in this area

if you want to vaccinate without any titre tests fine go ahead & do it I personally wouldn't QED

sorry for the caps!
i just copied and pasted an e-mail
Please explain titre testing
thanks

Here is a link about titres :)

http://www.caberfeidh.com/HHC.htm

If you want to go the homeopathic way I`d do it under the guidance of a h/pathic vet.

Hi Helen

Sorry to hear about your puppy and the diagnosed Distemper.
I may stand to be corrected here, but I believe that even dogs/puppies that are vaccinated can still pick up and develop Distemper.
All said and done, the titer testing is a safer option for you in my opinion.It basically shows what point the levels of immunity are working against diseases in your puppy.If you need further help about titers, this link holds a wealth of information on how and why http://www.canine-epilepsy-guardian-angels.com/titer_test.htm
Remembering of course that usually a puppy has some maternal resistence to disease which is passed from it's mother from birth. It's disputed at what time this can diminish, but I would say that perhaps at 14 weeks your puppy would be losing hers, hence the titers being necessay.

With respect, perhaps now that you have sadly had to witness a seizure, you can respect the descision by myself, and maybe a lot of others on this forum as to why we choose point blanky not to vaccinate.
I had a perfectly healthy, beautiful Spinone until a few days after vaccination boosters were administered to my Ollie. Almost a year on from that I now still have a beautiful Spinone, BUT, not only has he aged prematurely due to seizures, I have witnessed him turn from a lively, full of beans boy to a dog that has gone through more than most would ever go through, and is now old before his time.

I must add here that his quality of life is generally good, but I certainly feel both he and I have both been utterly robbed of his youth.
You say that the distress on your family is priceless, I can certainly relate whole heartedly with that....perhaps you can imagine going through the 2 seizures you sadly witnessed last week, and then multiply it by a 100, then to that mix, add in 12 occassions where you endure 10 seizures in one day and see how your feel about a vaccination then. It's no fun believe me is it.

You said about you have had to pay £400 already,I truly hope that you have insurance to help you through the cost issues and your boy can come through the distemper without harm or lasting effects.
To give an overview on neurological costs we have incurred, Ollie has been admitted to the Animal Health Trust on 4 occassions now, and I have lost count at how many stays at our own vets. Our current total billing from last February stands at £8,789.12 and counting, and of course is a lifelong issue to contend with as he is still only 3 1/2 years old.

You say that everything comes with a risk factor Helen, yes this is absolutely true and I quite understand that there are millions of dogs vaccinated each and every day, and these dogs never show any signs of severe reaction.
However, when you know the previous outcome involving a risk that you have taken, and that it is multiplyed a thousand times over knowingly from your previous experiences with that risk, you have to make an informed decision not to take the relevant risk surely.

Please, please do not to make judgement about people who have calculated the risks and it's consequences, please repsect our decision like we duly respect yours....many of us have seen severe if not fatal outcomings, and are having to therefore live with the results. All we are doing on here is offering you experieinces and advice from which only you can decide to vaccinate or not.
Remember too that many people are mourning their losses or living out day in day out the consequences of such actions, and therefore will not subject their animals outrightly to that very same risk factor, and for which they too should be respected.

As I said before, it's truly a massive can of worms, and one which will go on and on long after Ollie is gone and all the others after him.

All said and done, Helen, do let me know how your puppy gets on, I hope by now that he is back on the road to recovery and home with his new family enjoying himself as puppies should. Best of luck from us all here and fingers and paws crossed for good news.

Hi Shelly, have to tell you Helens pup died :(

Sorry to hear about your dogs ill health too :(

*but I believe that even dogs/puppies that are vaccinated can still pick up and develop Distemper.*

Yes that is perfectly correct, tho a lot of people don`t know this.

Understand & completely respect your decisions regarding vaccines & hope you manage to keep Ollie stabilised :)

That is very sad news about Helen's puppy. My heart goes out to her it really does.
Noone deserves to go through that having just their puppy.
Hope you are coping Helen. Hugs from us all here.

Christine, I was looking on the forum (first time in absolutely ages) for information about puppy combination nosodes, with all we have been through with Ollie, and having just got our long awaited Bracco Italiano puppy, we wanted information prior to seeing our homeopathic vet.
I stumbled across your diary of events from some years ago about the litter of puppies who reacted one by one
...so very, very sad to read that story. But having read it from start to finish, it does thoroughly reinforce my beliefs not to vaccinate now.
I wondered how you got on with the medical company involved, and what the outcome was.
Please ignore this if it opens up old wounds.

Shelley

No I don`t mind talking about it Helen :)

I was asked by them *what could they do* or something like that and I replied *admit it was your vaccine that caused it* They denied it again

I suppose that may have been the moment I could have mentioned compensation, but I know other people who have taken compo have had to sign a confidentiality doc and if you sign one of those you have to keep quiet about what happened. And that wasn`t what I wanted at all. I wanted to sue them so I stopped communications between me & the firm & I`ve never heard from them since.

To sue is not easy. Its a chain, the vax had left the manu plant, then been transported by a firm to the vets then I`d paid the vet to administer the vax so I`d have had to sue vet who would have then turned to the manu. The proceedings would have taken place in Gib & we would have had to bear the initial cost of bringing my expert witnesses there & they live in the US & UK. Then the cost of a QC from UK specialising in this kind of litigation, plus the cost of the court case & any delays or adjournments the other side might make. We were adviced if we had £45,000 that we would be prepared to lose then go ahead, we had a very good case......we decided we coudn`t afford to lose that much ;( ;(

Thanks for you kind comments & hope things get better for you & Ollie :)

That is so annoying for you Chrisitne, and you suffered so much in both physcial loss and monetry losses...
But that's where the multi national manufacturers have the upper hand, not many of us out there can afford the risk of losing such a huge sum of money, and therefore with no other options, they get away with it again and again.Must make you really mad.
There goes that can of worms again !!!! :rolleyes:

Thanks for your well wishes for Ollie, this boy is such a true fighter, this last month has been sheer hell, but again, he comes through the roughest of times, and today is back to his old self again.He truly amazes me every day.we love him to bits !

All the best for you and yours Christine
Shelley

Thanks Shelley & all the best to you & Ollie as well :)

ps got over the anger & now try to let as many people as I can know exactly what vaccines can & can`t do :)

Im taking my boy back to the vet today for titre testing. The last lot of tests were for white blood cell count and some other things.

I am definately re-concidering getting Angus vaccinated again. I really do not want to put him through this again.

I have never experienced adverse reactions to vaccinations in dogs before. Ive been around them my entire life and my mother breeds westies back in Australia and she has never experienced anything like this.

Still. I'll wait to see what the vet thinks before making any definite decisions

Lets know the results when you get them Lior :)

Hi Lior

You might want to try homeopathic nosodes if you're thinking of not vaccinating.  The jury is still out about whether they are effective or not, but if you're not going to re-vaccinate anyway, then they can't do any harm and could potentially do a lot of good.

You can get them from here:

http://www.naturalpetcare.co.uk/petshop/index.php?cPath=46_47

In addition, you should give your Westie Thuja 30c as soon as possible, and Sulphur 6c beginning a week later, for 7 days.  These are homeopathic remedies which you can buy from here:

http://www.ainsworths.com/site/default.aspx

They help to prevent adverse reactions to vaccinations and I always give them to mine before they go in for jabs.  Again - can't do any harm.

Thanks for that info. Im taking my boy back to the vet today for another check up and titre testing.
I'll pass the info on and see what he says.

Hi H/P did you know that you can report adverse reactions yourself now, if it wasn`t too long ago it`d be worth doing now :)

Glad you`ve got a great h/pathic vet now & dogs are alright :)