Does anyone know of any homeopathic vets in the North East who may be able to see a grumpy German Shepeherd ? Have been reading John Fisher's book Think Dog and he was suspicious of the treatment at first but convinced after seeing it in use on one of his cases. I'm particularly interested in Bach's remedies. Failing that anyone know how to assess a dog and select a treatment ?

Off the top of my head I think there's one in Hexham.

Thanks Lara found it - Hadrians in Hexham - their ad on Yell.com says homeopathy :d

Hi Banger, there is a list of registered homeopathic vets on the net with addresses, phone no etc. I used to have it but I lost it. Do a quick search & you should find it.
Christine2

Tim, not a vet, and not near you, but if you e-mail me I can put you in contact with a properly qualified homeopathist (insofar as there is such a thing) who is a retired but highly qualified human doc and long time & still active dog breeder. Having said that, I'd best be honest and admit that while I don't write off all alternative therapies, I don't believe in homeopathy at all.

Tim - had got it into my head that you were in the south, but after checking, not that far from you at all.

As luck would have it the vet at Hadrians visits a place called Triple A which is 10 minutes away from me. He's been doing it for 20 years and is going to ring me to see if he can help - many thanks for everyones help - its just something to try to see if it has any effect. :D

Hi Banger did you not give max a herbal thing for stress if yes did it work ???

I am thinking Zac gone of his trolley he just seems to have lost the plot this last couple weeks
a nightmare to take out have tried all the collars and leads the halti helps but you have to hold him really close to have any control he reminds me of hannibal lectar I only need the a trolley
to wheel him around Ha Ha Freddie much better at walking but not with Zac around
hope you are both fine any way

Pat x

Hi Pat - yes we did try the herbal tablets but it seemed to have little effect with Max but I was reading John Fishers think dog and was impressed by the depth that it goes to. In particular Max doesnt seem able to assess threats very well - in other words will start barking at anything he feels uncomfortable with. I read that Bach's remedies cover things like this but just have to find someone who can assess Max for treatment. He's 100% better than he was but still a bit of a 'Spook' so the search goes on.

Banger,this is not really like Zac he will only bark at people that come to the house
when out he never barks at people shows no fear of them but cannot seem to settle down
and enjoy a walk always looking around full circle to see what he is missing ,other dogs do not worry him at all but traffic really freaks him .Freddie had me crying with laughter last night
he had just gone out for a quick stroll when this man passed him coughing loud and freddie marched up the road barking at him each time he coughed .he looks like a little bear walking along
I might get that book .

Pat xx

Hi All

If anybody is interested I've just purchased a book called Homeopathic Medicine for dogs - A handbook for Vets and Pet owners. It by a guy called HG Wolff MVSC.
It's been highly recommended to breeders, pet owners and veterinary surgeons by the British Homeopathic Assoc.

It's available through The CW Daniel Company (They are on the web) and costs about £15.

I'm pleased I got my copy! :D

RUTH

I am a huge fan of homeopathy after experiencing health problems with my bitch that vets medicines did not touch. I had nothing to lose and tried it - brilliant. She has never looked back! And as I was told, they can't pretend can they - you know, "Oh I am taking something that is supposed to make me feel better so I must do!" I can recommend Nelsons Homeopathic remedies which are available from all good health stores and have a leaflet explaining their use for various conditions - and very cheap! Also the Complete Herbal Handbook for Dogs and Cats by Juliette Baraicli Levy (available to order at Ottakers). Good Luck

Just an update on this, we saw an item on the news recently of a woman who has done several case studies on animals and the use of Bachs remedies. We have been in touch with her, filled in the questionaire she supplys and await our first Bachs remedy mixture to try with Max. Will let you know if it calms Max down and makes him a little less prickly. If you would like to get in touch with her let me know via e-mail. She says she has had good results with her dogs but we haven't tried Max yet so will wait and see.

regards

Tim

Hi Banger, hope it works! :) I know a few people who`ve had success with the bach remedies.
Christine, Spain.

Mr Nelson is the homeopathic vet in Hexham. He's extremely nice, and very,very helpful. I went to see him with my dog who had a severe allergic reaction to his first booster. I put him on nosodes. Well worth the visit. I only had to go the once (to get the dosage right), then i could order by post.
Whilst i was there i got talking to a lady with an elderly dobe, Mr Nelson had been treating them with acupuncture. She said it was one of the best things she'd done.
Good luck.

We did try that vet but they never returned our calls, heaven knows why !

UPDATE: Ok we got the remedy this morning it contains :-

Cherry Plum: For unpredictable dogs
Holly: For dogs that dislike people/dogs
Beech: Easily irritated dogs
Chicory: Overprotective dogs
Mimulus: For known fear
Rock Water: For dominant behaviour
Vine: Agressive with people/dogs

We are giving him 4 drops 4 times a day and adding 6 drops to his water too, fingers crossed lets hope this has some effect after a few weeks.

regards

Tim

Hi Banger, could be he never returned your calls because you have to have a referral from your vet?
Christine, Spain.

I hope your lady knows it is illegal to 'prescribe' anything for an animal if not a vet?

Hi Digger, as far as I know Bach Remedies are available over the counter & you don`t need a prescription for them.
Christine, Spain.

Yes , you can buy them in Boots chemists :)

Melody

Yes - but picking them up off the counter yourself is very different to saying 'this dog needs X' which is prescribing - I know Bach remedies are available off the shelf, I've used them myself, but the line between recomending and prescribing is very thin.....

Hi Digger, understand what your saying but surely as you don`t need a prescription cos they are not drugs, then they can`t be prescribed? Similar thing to supplements.
Christine, Spain.

Prescribing something is very different from something being a 'prescription drug' and according to the RCVS Guide to Professional Conduct:
"Treatment by acupuncture, aromatherapy, homoeopathy or other complementary therapy may only be administered by a veterinary surgeon who should have undergone training in these procedures. At present it is illegal for them to be given by practitioners who are not veterinary surgeons."

The wider view is that a referral from a vet for a specific treatment should suffice. The exceptions to this rule are:
(i) the animal owner, a member of his household or his employee, who may carry out minor medical treatment
(ii) the animal owner or person engaged in caring for animals used in agriculture may carry out medical treatment or minor surgery not involving entry into a body cavity

(iii) listed veterinary nurses in accordance with The Veterinary Surgeons Act 1966 (Schedule 3 Amendment) Order 1991,

(iv) veterinary students in accordance with The Veterinary Surgeons (Practice by Students) (Amendment) Regulations 1993,

(v) registered farriers in accordance with the Farriers (Registration) Acts 1975-1977,

(vi) physiotherapists, chiropractors, and osteopaths in accordance with the Veterinary Surgery (Exemptions) Order 1962

(vii) blood sampling under the Blood Sampling Order 1983

(viii) animal husbandry trainees over 17 years of age in castration of male animals, disbudding of calves and docking of lambs’ tails

(ix) the ability of anyone to administer emergency first aid to save life or relieve pain or suffering

http://www.rcvs.org.uk/vet_surgeons/professionalconduct/response/resp_nonvet.html

Ah well ..I shall just sue everyone on here that told me to try Rescue Remedy on Thuggy Boy

:D

Mel

Advising or suggesting is very different to 'prescribing' - particularly when combining therapies.

Ok this seems to have got a bit out of hand. The lady in question advised us to notify our vet that we are using Bachs Remedies and she will be in touch with the vet to tell them exactly what she has recommended. I believe that she has undertaken several studies of Bachs Remedies in conjunction with her training, she has indeed got some letters after her name (F B I H) although I'm not sure what they stand for. But I have been looking for some time for help with Bachs.