just wondered out of curiosity .....what are the advantages of joint ownership by two seperate breeders I have seen it numerous times on schedules etc and dont understand the reason why someone would do it?

~Roni

Often the reason is that the dog in question was imported at great expense, which was shared by a small group of people, who agree to jointly own the dog.

Oh I see I wonder how they decide who will have the dog live with them ?

Roni

In the case of the dog I own in partnership it was the only person able to keep a male, and who is the keenest to show.

I can only practicaly keep bitches, one of the others owns a male in a family home so couldn't, the third was the same, and the fourth owned an elderly stud male, but did have kenneling if they needed to be kept seperate, happily the old boy accepted the adolescent unsocialised male (very pleasing but not expected), and since his death the import has been the only male resident.

In our case another of the partner looks after Finances, and we all pay sums into an account as and when needed, and all his show entries, keep, etc comes out of this.

My import is in my name and his breeders name who resides in Spain.  Our first imports were under 4 names as myself and 3 friends imported the breed.  We kept the first few litters also in all 4 names and had an affix set-up in all of our names.

Hi Roni
My current three Beardies are owned in partnership with my good friends (and breeders). I have two which live with me, and one who lives with them. Our partnership agreement is written down/ signed etc, for as many eventualities we could think of (especially regarding the breeding side of things). It may be an exception, but it has worked very well for both parties and we have NEVER had a disagreement. I have heard of MANY partnerships turning sour, so I believe both/all parties should know each other very well first, and not be afraid to discuss issues etc BEFORE going in to partnership, AND ensure as much as possible is written in an agreement (although not all eventualities can be covered)
It started many years ago when I was looking for a male Beardie, I could either own him outright or in partership, I opted for partnership. Anyway, he did not get his testicles, and they felt so awful coz I couldn't show him (it didn't matter to me, he's still here, fighting fit and is the most wonderful "person" you could meet, I don't re-home dogs if they don't turn out for show, I want them as pets first & foremost, and the bonus is being able to show them). A couple of years later, they had a litter of just one pup, which they kept, offered her to me in partnership, and I trained and showed her. She lives with them. When she had a litter (aged 4), I chose the stud dog in agreement with them and had pick of litter (Kira, who I am currently showing), which was the only one "we" kept from the litter.
It works well for us, I am not in the position to keep a lot of dogs (and I don't re-home dogs if they do not turn out good enough to show).
There are probably loads of reasons "why" people enter in to partnerships, some already mentioned such as keeping one sex only, or perhaps there are two in a litter of really good show potential, and the breeder offers one of them in partnership to ensure it gets shown as they're not in the position to keep two.

All the best, you at Manchester?

lol Kay

hi kay
Thank for expaining it to me I've often wondered why people do it.
Not that I will even be considering it for many many years!!

I know that my girls are not exceptional I am really only practicing showing them in the hope that in the future I will have a really good dog to show saying that they mean the world to me and wouldnt change them for the world..
My older girl 2 and half never went to ringcraft until she was two I have always been more interested in agility and OB with her and that is all she really knows.
She gets very excited in the ring especially when the judge is approaching and I am finding this very hard to deal with , I do get asked if I take her to ringcraft and practice at home which I do but I know it doesnt look that way in the ring!
I am wondering if I am wasting my time with her as she was in a display team for agility and part of it was to get them excited in the ring before the show and this has never left her.
Beth my pup now 13m I am very proud of as a first show dog plus myself being a complete novice with a lot to learn  eventhough she is a fawn I was told by wendy Hines that she may not do so well because of her colour so we are both pleased at what she has achieved so far but am not expecting too much.

I am hoping to have a litter from Ellie sometime this year and have been discussing it with Lesley Tomlinson but I have to have her hip score done yet.

Thanks again for your help

we are entered into Manchester ....se you there.

Roni

Hi Roni

With my fitst ever Beardie (Suzi), I got her as a re-home at 23 months, neither she nor I had shown properly before (I had shown my crossbreeds at exemption shows- not quite the same thing). I did obedience/agility and showing with Suzi. Like your Ellie, she got soooo excited in "all" of the situations. I took her to "our" first Open Show when she was 2 1/2 years old, and shockingly for me, she won, so I was then of course addicted. A month later, she went to "our" first breed champ show, and she won again! She was the first dog I ever qualified for Crufts. She loved being in the ring, but did all of the wrong things (in the judges eyes, but not mine), (I laughed about it then, and still do now when I think back). She ALWAYS flew her tail, shuffled all her feet, kissed (or tried to) every judge she went under. She did a fair bit of winning, but looking back, i'm convinced it was her personality that helped her win, conformation wise, she was "okay", but not "top-drawer! so to speak. I didn't mind, we were both learning together and her personality always seemed to win the day . She LOVED agility, but used to bark all the way round the course . In obedience, her heelwork was wonderful, her stays were "okay", but she could never master how to retrieve an artical and give it straight back to me, she would run out for it, then run around with it, wanting to play, then eventually throw it at me.
I would keep going with both your girls, especially if you and they are enjoying it.
See you at Manchester hopefully!

lol Kay

Well, in my case the simple, obvious answer is because we both own the dogs!  We have either bought them together, or co-bred them.  Generally, if/when they are being shown, they live with Mike, and in retirement (or the brood bitches) live with me.  With one or two others who I co-own (inc. Kitty, with Dawn aka Nursey) Mike and I bred her, and kept an "interest" in her, although she is Dawns baby ;)
bye
Gwen

We do it as it is joint affix.  It was my grans & my mums & now it is mine & my mums!

The only thing is all the dogs have to be in joint names - my mum has an alsation & yorkies.
I have the staffies.

She looks after/pays for them & I look after mine.

My mum does not breed /show any more but as the affix is a lifetime one doing it this way does not cost me each year!

(The other reason is my mum has had the affix for yrs & dont want to give it up)