I have an 8 month old cryptorchid dog. If I have his retained testicles removed will I get permission off the Kennel Club to show him? Only interested in the odd open show. He  really is a smasher.
Cheers Nick

TBH there really is not much point in showing a neutered dog, part of the standard specifically includes "two testicles" therefore if they are not there your dog does not meet the standard...............

Neutered dogs HAVE won in the showring, but I think that happens at about the same frequency as blue moons..........

you can get fakes now days i thought,made of silicon!!!!!

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Would that be cheating as they would be "two apparently normal testicles fully descended into the scrotum" :D

Hi Pheobe,

::Couldnt resist a look at the Neuticals website!!!! Cool logo!!!! 

Really want a keyring too!!  But couldnt decide between that and the necklace!!!!!!!!

What I really want to know is will the Kennel Club give 'permission to show' to a neutered cryptorchid dog?
Nick

yes!i think!

Yes the Kennel Club will give permission especially in your position as it is required medically.  I have seen castrated dogs win classes, more often than you think especially at open shows.

Go for it.

You no longer actually need 'permission' to show a neuter at all, all neuters can be shown - all you have to do is inform the KC that the dog has been neutered via the form linked to in this post. However, as also stated, the KC have sat on the fence when it comes to males as the standards haven't been altered so judges will usually discount a neutered male.

M.

The standards have not changed but if the dog is better than others in the class in some other way it can win and I have seen it happen.

There is a form on the KC site under Kennel forms http://www.the-kennel-club.org.uk/forms/neutereddogsform.pdf for neutered dogs

Fot other operations you just need a letter from your vet to explain the removal was on medical grounds & then it is up to the KC whether or not they give permission to show. A lady in Cavaliers had a dog with a testicular hernia(the bowel had looped round the testicle) & it was removed & she got permission to show However that is not quite the same as removing an undescneded testicle

The permission must be granted before you enter him at a show BTW

I think that this would need to be accompanied by a letter from your vet as it is not a straight forward castration.  It is a health issue (ie an inherited problem) and permission to show will be at the kennel clubs discretion.

My bitch had a pyo a couple of years ago resulting in her being spayed. I submitted the above form and received a phone call from the kennel club asking about the circumstances that lead to her being spayed.  When I said it was due to a pyo, they said I need to send them a signed letter from my vet before they would consider granting permission to show.

I have just had her son castrated as I don't want him used at stud and I will use the above form as this is a case of choice rather than a health issue.
However, I will still ask my vet to sign a letter to say that he had two normal tesicles before the castration and send it to the kennel club.  That way, they have all the info & if I do decide to enter him at a show, I can take the letter to the show and present in to the ring steward as we enter the class.  The steward will then make the judge aware that there is a castrated dog in the class and that previous to the op, he had two normal testicles and wasn't castrated due to an inherant problem. I don't plan on showing him, but at least the option is there.
I know some people will have a bitch spayed and never inform the kennel club, much harder to tell on a bitch!!! :)
Good luck with your boy if you do show him :)

I wonder how long ago that was, as the clause allowing only neuters with progeny to be shown was changed a long time ago.  Probably at least 15 years ago it was changed to just informing the Kennel club that a dog or bitch was neutered.

LOL Barbara

You are probably right My Hiedi was spayed in 1981 & was one of the first to be givem permission to be shown without progeny & the curent ruling came in a while after that

Yes, i think it is a fairly new thing.  I have a letter for my bitch that says:

'I confirm that our records have been noted under Para 3d of regulation F (annex B), and the dog may be exhibited notwithstanding the fact that it has been neutered.'

She was spayed in July 2003.  I do know of other dogs/bitches that have been neutered and are sometimes shown, without any progeny.

You also used to see the word Neut in catologues next to dogs names, which you don't see now.

I have a letter with that same wording dated March 1993. :) She never had progeny either.

So I take it you have to inform the KC that your bitch has been spayed if you want to show her, is that right? Just thinking ahead, maybe one day.............. :)

Yes, you are correct - you just have to write to the KC to inform them and they will write back.  By the way, one of my males, neutered for medical reasons. won a CC  at a club show,from veteran (the judge however, had previously given him a CC in his youth)

Thank you :) was thinking of small open show next year to start with, providing her coat isn't as 'woolly' as is predicted so will have to keep on top of grooming.

My bitch has gone woolly.  It's hard work, but I keep on top if it and she still does well in the ring.  Just got to wait and see what her son's coat does....