Wonder if you can help me, Ive got 2 rotties, a boy and a girl. They havnt got papers because they are rescue dogs but the girl one is very nice natured and I would like to breed them. Puppies take after their mums personalities so even though the boy can be a bit nasty sometimes, although not with dogs he knows and he is usually ok with people. But then hes surposed to bark at strangers isnt he! So anyway Im not sure if i can register the puppies with the kc because they will be pedigree dogs but I read on here that you cant register dogs if the parents arent registered. Is that true? Thanks for your help.

Jane

I cannot beleive your serious, but in case you are and readers benefit please read this Link. http://www.dog-play.com/breedercomparison.htm

Also read the first post on the breeding forum.

You are correct you cannot register pups from unregistered parents with the Kennel Club, and breeding from rescue dogs is totally unethical. 

Thank you for getting back to me. Can I just ask, what does unethical mean? And I am serious, although my vet did surgest it wasn't a good idea but didnt tell me why. Thanks again.

Jane

If you go to one of the many dictionary sites you will find the answer, it is the opposite to ethical :D

It has to do with moral standards.

Here is one definition:

"unethical

adj 1: not conforming to approved standards of social or professional behavior; "unethical business practices" [ant: ethical] 2: not adhering to ethical or moral principles; "base and unpatriotic motives"; "a base, degrading way of life"; "cheating is dishonorable"; "they considered colonialism immoral"; "unethical practices in handling public funds" [syn: "

I can see at least three reasons in your post why this would not be appropriate I suggest you have a good read through the posts in the Breeding fora starting in particular with JaneS one and you will see that my view with be general fully supported by the the rest of the usual posters here.
Edited to say..... four reasons, the more I read it the more I am likely to spot.  I'm not at all sure this is a serious post so I will not be commenting again :)

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>Puppies take after their mums personalities

Nonsense! Puppies are just as likely to inherit temperament from their sire as from their dam.

Jane, ask yourself WHY you want to breed your two dogs. If you come up with the answer that you'll get a few hundred quid for the puppies, you should be shot. You have got two rescue dogs, i.e. dogs that other people no longer wanted and now you want ot breed them and produce puppies that are highly likely to end up in the same position. The male is dog aggressive and there's a good chance 50% of the puppies will inherit his personality. The males add 50% of the DNA and much of a dog's personality is genetic. What will you do if he takes a dislike to his puppies and kills a couple? Who's going to dock their tails for you? Even though it's not strictly legal any more, not many people want a rottweiller with a full tail and certainly won't go to the expense of the vet docking them - they sinmply won't buy the pups and you'll be  stuck with them.

I cannot think of a single good reason why anybody would want to do what you plan to do. You may not understand the word ethics but I'm sure you'll understand the words greedy and stupid, because that's what you'd be if you did it. You have no idea what health problems are behind your dogs that you can't see, but could come out in the pups - do you wnat people knocking on your door or taking you to court because their pup can't walk due to hip displaysia? Do you want the new owners dumping the pups back on your doorstep at a year old when they've become aggressive?

I'd say think about it in more detail before you make a big mistake.

she has to be pulling our plonka! is it april 1st??

There is a multiple personalitly newbie who is trip trapping over everyones bridge at the moment, me thinks :D 

>There is a multiple personalitly newbie who is trip trapping over everyones bridge at the moment, me thinks  

I wholeheartedly agree :rolleyes:

I was told by a breeder that dogs get their mums nature and their dads intelligence so if you breed a nice bitch with a clever dog the puppies will be ok. I didnt know that wasnt true. I wasnt going to sell the pups, they were going to go free to good homes. Maybe what you are saying is why my vet thought it was not a good idea. He surgested I got them done and when I said I wanted to breed them he said I shouldnt. He didnt say why not though. Thanks to some of you for your helpfull advice, I will rethink having them done. To those of you not so helpfull, thanks for nothing, no need to be so snotty about it, I was only asking for help, we cant all be experts straight away. :(

I think it is a very good idea to have your dogs neutered and just enjoy them for the wonderful pets that they are :) Breeding really is best left to the experts ;)

Merry Christmas!

Do humans have their mum's temperament and their dad's intelligence? No - and neither do dogs. It's the luck of the draw.

I'm sure you are an experienced breeder or dog owner Jean Genie, as I thought this person was I spoke to. A dog is a dog, not a human. If someone who is surposed to know lots about something tells you something you believe it without question. At least I bothered to look for advice first. Are people always greeted with such a warm welcome on this forum?

Jane

The principles of genetics are virtually identical for all species. An animal (including humans) gets half its genes from its mother and half from its father. The mix will be random - which is why in a crossbred litter no two puppies will be alike.

It's certainly to your credit that you've been looking for advice - and I'm sure that having read the information links you've been given on here about breeding you've learned a lot very quickly. :) I'd have hoped you'd appreciate the sensible advice that what you planned to do was irresponsible and possibly very costly to you.

You came looking for advise and you have been given it to the best of everybodies ability.  A thank you might be more appropriate as they have probably saved you from making a rather serious mistake for yourself, your dogs and all the potential puppies new owners.

If you reread my post Isabel you will see I did very sinserley thank those who helped me, but not every body did, the other comment was aimed at them.

Yes I see that now in an ealier post, appologies for missing it :)

Thats ok Iasabel, apology accepted. :)

Merry Christmas - but don't do it!:rolleyes:

Didn't the rescue/s who allowed you to have the dogs explain that they shouldn't be bred from? That that's one of the reasons that they withhold the dogs' papers? Many rescue organisations have neutering a requirement of adoption ...

No they didnt say I shouldnt breed from them. They did come with a coupon thing but that ran out a while ago. I think I will get them done now though. Thanks for your help.

I think that's a very sensible decision. :)

Wow I don't believe im reading this, it must be a wind up I cant believe you got your rotties from a rescue centre as the majority of them require them to be neutered these days, as a rottie breeder I strongly recommend you don't breed them especially if one of the has a temperament issue quote "though the boy can be a bit nasty sometimes" and "and he is usually ok with people" this is not a dog you want to breed from under any circumstance, you are saying they will go free to a good home, many rotties go to the wrong homes in the end, if the people you have in mind want a rottie then there is loads of reputable rottie rescues available where the people will be vetted by experts in the breed

my girl has 9 pups and out of those 9 pups only 3 have her laidback quiet personality the rest have the fathers personality, whoever told you they only get the mothers personality are fools. Dont breed your dogs there is alot that goes into breeding there is the years of preparing and tests after tests that are not cheap your dogs would have to be in peak fitness, your dogs would all need proper temprement testings ect ect. You are in no way prepared to breed dogs you cannot just go pick a couple of dogs up from a shelter throw them togeather and think youll end up with healthy puppies, no matter how many years of testing and vet visits and keeping your dog as healthy as they can be you can never guarantee that something wont go wrong and if it does do you have the time the money and the patience to handle it and then there is the fact that you could loose your bitch and her pups. There are way too many things to list of what you need to do and what could go wrong i can tell you a responsible ethical breeder doesnt make a cent of pups we loose money because it takes about 2-3 years to be completely sure you girl would be a perfect breeding dog and whether you could handle youself the waiting up all night for pups and then being woken every hour or so for the first weeks by crying puppies it is a strain on the bitch and a strain on the breeder but if it is what you love then its worth every sleepless night
they are also not registered and breeding dogs should always be registered
please do not breed your dogs

Sorry Slee I could not read your post, it was too long with no sentences lol. I have changed my mind about breeding my dogs with the advise given here. They will be done in the new year.

apoligize its already xmas here and id already had a few drinks.
ive slept for a bit now so im a little fresher lol

or maybe not i just had to correct myself so many times in just this little post

Hi Jedi....and welcome to CD.I would like to say well done for changing your mind.....a very good decision.I would also like to say well done for taking on 2 rescue dogs
Archer

Ahh thank you Archer, thankyou for making me feel so welcome. :)

Slee, hehe, me too now, but then it is Christmas. :p

I agree with everything that has been said to the original poster - but would like to point out to Phoebe that docking of tails is legal, as long as it is done by a vet :)

The "coupon" is supposed to be used before it ends - thats the whole point of it.  But good on ya for deciding to go ahead with getting them neutered regardless cos its the right decision :)  There are already sooo many pups in rescue centres that it would be awful to think you could (albeit only potentially and probably unwittingly) add to these numbers.  Get them booked in for 'the op' as soon as you can :)