!!Ebay is currently considering adding a "Live Pets Classified" section!!

Ohh boy is this depressing or what??!:rolleyes:

Here is the notice, but go to the site to read all the comments and add your own if you're an eBay member. There's been very little commentary in favor of the idea, but the company needs to be shown that most of the world finds this consideration very, very objectionable. Feel free to copy and forward this post anywhere it will generate action. Thanks!!!

http://tinyurl.com/dn7g2

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Dear Pets Community Members-

We are hoping to launch a Live Pets Classified Format early next year. The
listings would not be transactional and there would only be a listing fee.
We are also looking into allowing non-profit animal shelters to list animals
for adoption for free.

I would love to know what our active community members think about this new
category. We are also considering Pet Services in this format as well -
grooming, walking, etc..

Please feel free to reply to this thread or email me directly at
pretz@ebay.com

Already seen it hopefully too many people will say no - stupid idea - they never cease to amaze me

I know! If it goes ahead I will NOT be using E-bay at all, will cease my membership forthwith! But if enough people let them know how STUPID they are then maybe they will reject the idea! We need everyone to spend a few minutes sending responses please! The link in my frst message works fine...thanks for listening to my rant! love Dawn X

Lol its ok - selling of pets is not allowed at the mnute - they remove them if you report them which people obviously do - itll not go ahead im really sure :-D

I dont really understand what the problem is, there are so many websites where people can place adds, why is ebay going to be any different? Maybe there should be some law that stops them in place?

That's a .com link to the USA site.  Perhaps the UK will take a different view.

Ok, so maybe I'm the only one that's worried about it appearing here in the end? Even so, the US have a great deal more problems than us with back yard breeders, but if E Bay get the message then I'm sure it will put an end to it happening there or here?:rolleyes:

There are now 33 pages on eBay full of responses to
the "Animal" online idea.  Most of them are negative,
but there are some people who think it's a fine idea,
but we all knew that!  You can see the responses at
the following link.

http://forums.ebay.com/db1/thread.jspa?threadID=1000164235

One person has started a petition and hopes to get
10,000 signatures to convince eBay list live animals,
here's that link

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/148847541?ltl=1134858895

Yesterday there were 4 pages of comments from members on that forum. Today when I checked (few hours ago) there were 47, the great majority of which were aganst. So hopefully they will listen. :)

Silly me thought they were already doing this.  I thought Epupz was part of Ebay :rolleyes:

What difference will it make?  There are already so many?  Ebay UK does seem to try and take note of its community so maybe it will be good thing if it is well run because it might overshaddow the less better ones.

Epupz hopefully still gives the breeder the right to question and check out any home  a pup would go to, ebay however is the highest bidder  :(

Doh! Forgot about that :rolleyes:  It would be a bit like a cattle market then - not good

>We are hoping to launch a Live Pets Classified Format early next year. Thelistings would not be transactional and there would only be a listing feeWe are also looking into allowing non-profit animal shelters to list animals for adoption for free.

To me this implies that it will be for advertising only, like 'Ad trader' or any other classifieds site and not that bidding would be involved at all. Am I reading it wrong??

For gods sake can anyone actually read?
It says not to be transactional!!! in other words you are merely paying a listing fee for and advert, NOTan auction.
How many adverts are there for rescue dogs on the net? hundreds! just because its ebay a site that is mainly a buying/selling outlet everyone gets their back up.
Its still down to the breeder/rescue to do their neccesary checks, and of course the would be dog owner.

I don't see any difference to be honest apart from it being thru a different medium.
(click on home at the top of the page and theres hundreds of pups for sale on champdogs)

How many adverts are there for rescue dogs on the net? hundreds! just because its ebay a site that is mainly a buying/selling outlet everyone gets their back up.
Its still down to the breeder/rescue to do their neccesary checks, and of course the would be dog owner.

I don't see any difference to be honest apart from it being thru a different medium.

HUGE difference because thousands upon thousands of people browse Ebay just for fun on a regular basis. These are the people who may then accidentally come across a cute puppy and buy it on a whim. There is nothing whatsoever to say it will be the responsible people that will use ebay for pets, quite the opposite.

I have to say there is really no difference.  Epupz, petplanet and others basically does the same thing.  I sort by breed/price and then contact the breader who basically listed his price through said site.  Honestly, i found this forum because i was looking at breeds for sale and went to the classified section of champdogs.... which lists dogs for sale... i scratching my head at the notion that ebay's non-transactional listing would be any different.

I sort by breed/price and then contact the breader who basically listed his price through said site.

That's exactly the sort of attitude of buyers most responsible breeders want to avoid.....................

TBH I agree, unless the puppies are advertised in the breed club's site, there are no guarantees re health etc of potential dogs for sale.

When people make enquiries on this site or any other I always direct them to the breed club(s) as at least there is SOME vetting that goes on there with regard to people who breed.

What difference?  They still have to call the breeder/rescue they CANNOT buy it directly from ebay so i would hardly call it an impulse buy as they would still have to go throught the procedure of being 'hopefully' checked out by the rescue/breeder.

I could walk into my local paper shop pick up a copy of "Our dogs" and say hmmmm i want a puppy and call a breeder that has advertised.
So no i wouldnt say there was a huge difference.

Sorry tohme that wasnt in reply to you, god darn it i'll never get this right :D

What difference?  They still have to call the breeder/rescue they CANNOT buy it directly from ebay so i would hardly call it an impulse buy as they would still have to go throught the procedure of being 'hopefully' checked out by the rescue/breeder.

I could walk into my local paper shop pick up a copy of "Our dogs" and say hmmmm i want a puppy and call a breeder that has advertised.
So no i wouldnt say there was a huge difference.

But if you go out to purposefully buy Our Dogs you are THINKING of dogs -not surfing the web for a new coffee maker......:rolleyes: And it is a simple fact that the type of person that would consider selling an animal on Ebay isn't the sort to ask questions. What about the Saint Bernard that was sold not long ago for 50 p? That thankfully ended up with the right person who bought it TO rescue it and then found it a good home, but the seller didn't know that....... A LOT of the animals will be ones people decide to get shot of for whatever reason, and it WILL bring more buyers becase there will be so many more people looking than you'd EVER find on Epupz or anything similar.

If they go searching in the 'new' ebay catagory listed as live animals i hardly think they are looking for a coffee maker

They still have to click on the catagory with intention of buying or just to browse.

And for the second time they are not bidding/buying there is no auction, there is no comitment to buy, they are just looking at an advert and then have to call the breeder so i would not define that as an impulse buy.

What i am saying is the breeder/rescue has the final say, ebay is just a middleman.

(i'm not saying i agree with ebay either)

I wonder why people use the Lords name in vain? If I went somewhere and said Allah in anger I'd be hauled up for religious discrimination?:rolleyes:

Figure of speech possibly? am i allowed to say heaven forbid? :D :D

Nice change of subject newfiedreams
p.s i wasnt angry lifes too short (oh my these sayings are catching)

Naw, sorry I just get fed up with it...all the political 'cr*pness' in the World, yet blasphemy is allowed anywhere in a Christian Country...which as far as I know we still are???(allegedly!) Just that it's so close to Christmas but nobody seems to give a damn about the real reason we celebrate it!

Rant over

Back in me box to read me Bible

Nope i actually agree with that!! its a very sad state of affairs even this ebay lark makes it easier wheres the research? visiting breeders? going to shows? etc.

>What i am saying is the breeder/rescue has the final say, ebay is just a middleman.<

I think it's irresponsible of eBay and is sending out the message that animals are as disposable and throwaway as that espresso machine you used once and stuck in the cupboard till you got round to listing it. It will be yet another godsend for puppy millers and farmers who will have yet another global marketplace to advertise.

It's all fine and dandy to say that it's just a middleman and that the breeder will have the final word, but when that breeder would sell to anybody who has the money, it's going to lead to even more misery and death for these poor animals than we have already. Most of us who bid on eBay have made an impulse buy at one time or another and the fact that we had to pay for the item and possibly e-mail or speak to the seller never stopped us, so why would it stop somebody buying a puppy on impulse?

I'm sorry, but lots of people are, in general, irresponsible. If they weren't the rescue societies of the world wouldn't be stuffed to the gills with unwanted pets. And eBay 'just being a middleman' doesn't make them any less to blame than the other two parties involved.

Well said Phoebe:rolleyes:

Seconded!

What also concerns me is that, regardless of all the fine words about "non transactional" this sounds like the first step along the line that ends up with the sort of person we bang our heads on the wall about casually saying "It was a thick dog and when it was 8 weeks old it widdled on the carpet so I sold it on Ebay".

     I might also point out the liability far exceeds the monetary gain by
Ebay.  You have only minimal control over the listings, you cannot guarantee
that which is being sold is exactly as depicted, nor have you any control
over the claims of disgruntled purchasers.  Unfortunately fraud is running
rampant when it comes to registered animals (cats and dogs).  Photos of
champion dogs are being stolen and used in ads of sellers located in other
countries.  There is no way for the dog's owners to recoup any damages due
to this fraudulent advertising and I feel sorry for the purchasers who send
money for non-existent puppies.

    Overall, I think you will find that the majority of the breeders of
pure-bred dogs and cats would not be please with Ebay's proposed plan.  Ebay
may be letting itself in for more problems than they anticipate.

I've got to agree, Phoebe.  I couldn't believe this thread, Ebay?  That's that site that I go on looking for a bargain.  If I wanted another dog, I go to a reputable breeders or my local breed rescue, certainly not Ebay. 

If they go searching in the 'new' ebay catagory listed as live animals i hardly think they are looking for a coffee maker

A LOT of people just type in a search word in the main box on the index page, without specifying a category. If you type "coffee" you could then come up with a coffee COLOURED animal, an animal CALLED Coffee, or worse, say you type in TEA !!! Work it out!! :D

Edited to say: and a lot of people just browse categories ending within the hour etc, so that gives ALL........

This really is sort of flawed.  I frequent ebay all the time, and have yet to purchase any item over 100 pounds for the thrill of it, much less a several hundred pound item.  Over the past few weeks, i have seen 'cute' christmas cards inspire thoughts of puppy purchases... yet christmas cards are not regulated.

And another thing... this idea of deeply screening potential buyers is a load of crock.  Jesus Christ... it all boils down to the same thing.  Potential buyers word.  No breeder could possibly visit buyers homes, and run credit checks or real background checks.  All they take is the buyers word.  What more could they realistic do? 

This really is sort of flawed.  I frequent ebay all the time, and have yet to purchase any item over 100 pounds for the thrill of it, much less a several hundred pound item.

What on earth makes you think ALL dogs would sell for several hundreds??? Like I mentioned in another reply a St Bernard actually sold for 50 p......... Some people that just want rid won't be bothered.

Goldmali i'll have a look but i doubt that auction ran its course they never ever do, are you sure the auction didn't have a 50p bid but was pulled before it ended? (so it didnt actually sell and the buyer would have been notified that the auction they bid on was pulled).

I really really doubt on ebay uk that i have ever seen an auction selling a dog to not get pulled, if anyone notices it, it gets put all over the ebay forums and even here and gets bombarded with complaints.
Seems strange they would have paid a listing fee then sold for 50p (so they werent selling for money then) as they could have just picked up the phone to a rescue.

At the end of the day yet again ebay are NOT saying they will sell they are offering advertisment space.
And when you look at it closely it means as its not a purchase 'directly' off ebay then ebay are quite free from any legal ramifications.

Goldmali i'll have a look but i doubt that auction ran its course they never ever do, are you sure the auction didn't have a 50p bid but was pulled before it ended? (so it didnt actually sell and the buyer would have been notified that the auction they bid on was pulled).

Oh it happened allright........ wasn't pulled because the buyer did what many others have done - decided to buy the dog to rescue it.  The story was followed on one of the mailing lists, on how the dog was bought, brought home, and eventually a home found. I was even very tempted to take him myself (and was offered him by the rescuer, so I did have first hand contact, this is not just hearsay) as I have always wanted to have a Saint, but quite simply my circumstances aren't right for one so I had to say no. I seem to remember in the end he went to a couple who had recently lost another giant breed, either Newfie or Bernese.

Vodaberry, I presume you must have read my posts about blasphemy and yet still decided to offend me?? Well it worked! There really is no reason on Earth to use the JC as swear words is there?

On another note about Ebay...you obviously haven't seen the many programmes and editorials about people who get addicted to the likes of Ebay...and end up thousnds of pounds in debt? I applaud the fact that you are obviously so well controlled in your actions...shame the same can't be said about your language choice...which I feel was a deliberate choice!:rolleyes:

Please don't blaspheme there are still people that find it very offensive :(

Blimey Isabel...you mean I'm NOT alone??? LOL

The only thing is Newfiedreams, you are using blashemy too if slightly corrupted but I suspect you are not aware of the roots of the word you are using so are not deliberately offending.

Nope, you're not alone!

I really don't understand that either... surely an agnostic individual has rights as well, no?

Although i have to add... as an American living in the UK, perhaps the idealogy of freedom of speech is thrown out the window? ;)

Personally, i find Emmerdale, Coronation Street and everyshow on Channel 4 offensive... yet it's still televised.  :)

(Hopefully, one can see the humor in this.. oh you Brits)

No Offense.

The right to be offensive?

I don't want to continue this debate, lets stay on topic for St. Nicholas' sake.

If you mind your language and consider what others find offensive I don't see why that should prevent you discussing any topic you care to tackle.

Aww lets not get personal guys we were having a good debate about ebay

Hear, Hear.  I'll wait till the watershed ends.. or begins, i get that confused.  ;)  Mind my language... that's hilarious. I didn't swear once!  Just mentioned a fictional character in my opinion.... as said from an agnostic point of view.

On topic, I still stand by ebay and hope that they do allow the same listings that are allowed on every other site (including this one)

He may be fictional to you but you must be aware others do not view Him so.  Blasheming is profanity and as such is against the TOS that you agreed to on joining this message board.  I would not use your beliefs to offend were I aware of them it seems common curtesy not to do the same to others. 

:rolleyes:

I did more research on this, and it seems that the driving force for this is that a former Ebay executive left ebay and formed his own site which has grown because of this live animal section (i will list the site, but just because its information www.livedeal.com). 

So ebay of course will want to compete with a former exec who is doing well.

Subject: RE: Proposed Live Pets Classified Program
just got this off a Norwich Terrier group

Thanks for getting in touch with me to share your views regarding new
services we're considering to bring sellers and buyers of pets together.
It's clear that our members see a strong distinction between pet adoption (e
g., the kind offered by responsible local shelters and advocated by leading
animal welfare organizations) and selling pets for profit, which
unfortunately can be associated with behavior that's inhumane and/or illegal
  I want you to know that we at eBay.com understand and agree with this
distinction.

Based on responses from members like you - including many animal welfare
professionals -- we're going to exclude commercial breeders and for-profit
sale of pets from further consideration.  Instead, we'll focus the
discussion on listings of available rescue animals from vetted local
shelters to support responsible pet adoption.

It's clear that we need to proceed very carefully. As our plans take shape,
we'll again ask for input from our community. In the meantime, thanks for
sharing your views with us.

Sincerely,

Lori