Hi all, Just been browsing round a few websites and found a website on GSD (which is the breed of dog we are getting this Friday), anyway we are looking into the vaccinations and such and just read on this website that after the two initial injections and then the 6 month booster jab that your pup wont need the annual injection. I always thought that you need a 'booster' once a year but after reading the website Im thinking twice. After all we dont have an annual immunization injections, once we have had an injection our bodies can recreate the anti bodies in the future. Anyway just wanted to hear some more views about this.

PS heres the website I found it on, its been posted here before.
http://www.gsdsrus.freeserve.co.uk/vaccs.html

Check out the following site.

http://truthaboutvaccines.org/

There's loads of info out there to help you make up your mind.

Dawn R.

i have my two done each year-i get the impression my vet is an advocate of this, but i know of people who have their dogs antibody levels checked each year, then just have a part vaccine, and the full booster every other year.

I used to booster mine every year not anymore i lost one of my girls early this year though over boostering, now i will only booster every 4  years.

I haven't bootered mine for many years.

Dawn R.

I do mine every year and have never had any problems.

I was doing some critical questioning on it at my vets, he was trying to avoid most of the things but then said the Leptasprosis must be done every year, its the same cost he said he did not do it seperate, its just included in the one vaccine.

Very true. Leptospirosis vaccine lasts less than one year. It also can't be titre-tested for.

Yes it can J/G :)

It also doesnt cover all the strains of the disease, can cause the dog to be ill with the disease and is the one vaccination MOST likely to cause a reaction - thats according to the vet who was actually trying to persuade me to have my dog jabbed for it!

And they don vaccinate people for lepto... why is that. Even in high risk jobs where the person comes into contact with rat urine more often than most pet dogs will.... all you get is a little 'warning, i might have weills/lepto' card to carry around.

It can and HAS killed people yet we do not deem it worthwhile vaccinating humans agaisnt it!

>And they don vaccinate people for lepto... why is that

Because there is no effective human vaccination. See this NHS site

*Because there is no effective human vaccination. *

Why is the vaccine effective for dogs & not humans?

No idea, I am neither a vet nor a doctor :)  Guess you will have to ask the NHS but then maybe they won't understand the difference between the two species responses either :)

*Guess you will have to ask the NHS but then maybe they won't understand the difference between the two species responses either  *

That wouldn`t surprise me in the least :D

I personally believe, from what i have been told by doctors, that humans are not vaccinated for Lepto because the vaccines dont cover all the strains and arent very effective. For the NHS to dole out this vaccine to humans in high risk jobs, would be a waste of money, time, and probably encourage false faith in the vaccine - ie people NOT thinking 'ooh i might have lepto' because they have been jabbed.

Which is exactly the reason i havent vaccinated my pup agaisnt it!

The cost part of, and time part of the reasons WHY drs DONT vaccinate humans doesnt apply to dogs, because owners pay, and personally i think thats the ONLY reason why lepto is still given.

Em

>but then said the Leptasprosis must be done every year, its the same cost he said he did not do it seperate, its just included in the one vaccine.

I suspect your vet could do it separately if he wanted to. Most vet practices in our local area are boostering every third yr with Lepto PI annually.  My vet can indeed do Lepto separately and the cost is less, not much mind but it's less all the same. 

Most vet practices in our local area are boostering every third yr with Lepto PI annually.

That's what I do, and my vets have no problem with doing Leppto on its own.

*Most vet practices in our local area are boostering every third yr with Lepto PI annually.

That's what I do, and my vets have no problem with doing Leppto on its own. *

Thats nice to hear, its what several people have been advising for a long time now :D

Hi OurObie

Personally, I think you should definitely get the 2 puppy jabs, followed by the booster at 1 yr (not at 6 months).

The reason some websites say 6 months is that it is said that the dog's immune system is fully mature at 6 months, but since the puppy is protected by the puppy jabs for the whole of the first year, it makes no difference if you wait till 1 yr instead of 6 months for the booster.

I think the best option is to try to find a vet who vaccinates using the Nobivac vaccine.  The reason for this is that Nobivac only needs a booster every 3 yrs for all diseases except leptospirosis and possibly parainfluenza.  Lepto and PI need annual boosters.  But it's much better to give your dog just 2 vaccines annually than the whole lot, in my opinion.

I wouldn't not vaccinate at all...

Just to say If your dog is not fully vaccinated you will be refused boarding in any reputable kennelling establishment. Not only the kennel owners but the law insists on it.

Bazza

Didn`t know it was law Bazza, which 1?

How can the law make you go against the manufctures advice?

Which manufacturer does not advise dogs are fully vaccinated?

*Which manufacturer does not advise dogs are fully vaccinated?*

Absolutely no idea

>How can the law make you go against the manufctures advice?

So what manufacturers advise where you refering to?

*So what manufacturers advise where you refering to?*

Whichever one is being used of course :rolleyes:

Sorry Christine I still don't understand why you put this question to Bazza.  All Bazza said was animals had to fully vaccinated so how does this mean they are being asked to go against the manufacturers advise?

*Sorry Christine I still don't understand why you put this question to Bazza.  All Bazza said was animals had to fully vaccinated so how does this mean they are being asked to go against the manufacturers advise? *

If Bazza doesn`t understand it I`ll explain to him, thats who the questions for, not you :rolleyes:

If you don't want to reply to a question that is your perogative Christine but I don't think there is any need to rolleyes or have you no intentions of entering a thread and asking for something to be explained in the future that wasn't posted directly to you?

*If you don't want to reply to a question that is your perogative Christine but I don't think there is any need to rolleyes or have you no intentions of entering a thread and asking for something to be explained in the future that wasn't posted directly to you? *

It certainly is my perogative Isabel. I`ve explained many times to you in the past & I`ve no interest in doing it again for you.

The boards very easy to use the smilies now :) and if I want to rolleyes I will............

Not to sure about my intentions..............but I`ve heard say the the road to hell is paved with them don`t know how true it is tho :D

>I`ve explained many times to you in the past & I`ve no interest in doing it again for you.

  Can't remember ever discussing this in the past so pretty certain you haven't explained it many times but maybe Bazza will return and wonder what you are saying too and won't mind sharing your explanation when they get it :)

It's generally a requirement of the licencing council that all animals must have proof of up-to-date vaccination. :)

*It's generally a requirement of the licencing council that all animals must have proof of up-to-date vaccination*

So that makes it law then?

Surely if its done by the vaccine manufacturers advice its upto date?

If that is the local council's ruling it is a law albeit a local one.
Yes, if an animal is vaccinated to the manufacturers recommendations it would be regarded as up to date but that is all Bazza has said they need to be.

* Just to say If your dog is not fully vaccinated you will be refused boarding in any reputable kennelling establishment. Not only the kennel owners but the law insists on it.*

That is what Bazza said.

*If that is the local council's ruling it is a law albeit a local one.
Yes, if an animal is vaccinated to the manufacturers recommendations it would be regarded as up to date but that is all Bazza has said they need *

Oh, so you speak for Bazza..................hmmmmmmmmmm

I`d much rather hear it from himself

I have no idea what you are after Christine.  You have quoted Bazza yourself!  What do you still want to hear?  And I still don't understand why you asked Bazza "How can the law make you go against the manufctures advice?"

Dear me you are having fun with the faces!  What have your found offensive here?

Yes, council regulations are binding in law.

The reason some websites say 6 months is that it is said that the dog's immune system is fully mature at 6 months, but since the puppy is protected by the puppy jabs for the whole of the first year, it makes no difference if you wait till 1 yr instead of 6 months for the booster.

The reason that some now booster at 6 months is because maternal immunity does not wear off until ~20weeks in a proportion of pups. If that happens the pup may not be covered by the puppy jabs. That's why I now have the first booster at 6 months. Then I booster for the viral diseases every three years and for Lepto annually in the spring when the risk is beginning to rise.

*The reason that some now booster at 6 months is because maternal immunity does not wear off until ~20weeks in a proportion of pups.*

What proportion of pups & how do you know which pups have maternal immunity & those that don`t?

*If that happens the pup may not be covered by the puppy jabs.*

Is that the only reason pup won`t be covered by puppy jab?

*That's why I now have the first booster at 6 months. Then I booster for the viral diseases every three years and for Lepto annually in the spring when the risk is beginning to rise.*

How long have you been practising this vaccine routine & what lepto vaccine do you use?

The reason SOME websites say booster at 6 months is that very very frequently, the original jabs were given too EARLY and thus were not in fact effective at all!

Better off to take the relatively small risk, and wait until your dog is four/five months old before having ANY jabs... that way you know his immune system is much more mature, not at risk of having the efficacy of the jabs challenged by any lingering maternal antibodies....

Em

It is wh6y I prefer to vaccinate my own pups tyat are never seperated from their mothers at the older routine of 10 and 12 weeks to be sure that maternal antibodies have waned sufficiently.

I cant believe what we started... We just want to make sure we do the best for our new pup.. We have him booked in for his first vacc 3rd jan he have been 8 weeks at the weekend before.. then they said it will be two weeks until the second one... ahh well

Thanks for all your views