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Topic Dog Boards / Behaviour / 2 Bitches - are there always problems?
- By Fred2002 [gb] Date 12.07.02 22:34 UTC
Hello there!

My wife and I have got a Great Dane bitch (8 months old) and she is very, very lovely.... very relaxed and calm. She gets on with other dogs really well and we thought it would be a good idea to have a second Great Dane (so that both can play nicely together). We would prefer a second bitch due to our good experience with her. Now, as I am browsing through this board, I read that some people experience problems with two or more bitches. And this particularly when they are in season. Now I wonder whether having two bitches actually is such a good idea after all.

a) Would you recommend a 'dog' instead of a second 'bitch' in order to avoid the fightings when they are in season. Is it really a problem?
b) Do you think we should wait a little bit longer for a second dog/bitch until our puppy is fully matured?

Thank you very much for your help!

Cheers,

Fred
- By Kash [gb] Date 12.07.02 23:00 UTC
Right- I'm going to give you my advice- not that it's worth much because I'm neither experienced nor have this problem. Putting all that is on the other thread to one side- I think you should wait a little longer because I've always heard that if you can handle two puppies get two at the same time the only thing is they'll be more attached to each other than you. My friend has two Rotties and the oldest was 15 months when she got another (both bitches), all the training etc that she'd put in with the oldest one went to pot when she got the youngest! I know she did post a message on here and all the advise given was that she should have waited until the oldest was about 2 or 3 years old. My friend who is here at the moment playing with my dog says it wouldn't have made a difference if she'd have got a dog rather than a bitch for the second- it was the fact that she introduced another dog full stop. I would say that point 'A' you made doesn't really matter and point 'b' I'd wait:) Like I say though I don't know really- I can only say as I've saw it happen with my friends dog:) I do think most dogs will fight anyway at a point in order to establish 'pack ranking' but others will be able to advise you of this better than I can;)

Stacey x x x
- By Sharon McCrea [gb] Date 13.07.02 06:22 UTC
Fred, I'm one of the people who had a problem with two bitches of the same age who took a spite. It was so bad that I had to rehome one, although I still own her. BUT that is the first time anything of the sort has happened to me in many years of keeping a mixed pack of mostly entire bitches with some entire males and some dogs of both sexes neutered for medical reasons, all of them of assorted ages.

The problem only affected these two, and while we had them, the dog numbers here were between 8 and 11 at various times, but there was no trouble between either of the fighting bitches and any of the others, or with strange dogs. Many friends have mixed packs like mine, as did my mum and granny, and while two dogs will usually 'sort it out, and a dog and bitch are usually fine, very occassionally two females do take such an extreme dislike that one has to be rehomed But going on my own experience, and that of the others, true 'bitch spites' are very much the exception rather than the rule. (None of which is to say that if you have two dogs you won't have the odd spat - you probably will, regardless of sex, age difference or anything else - but such spats are not usually serious, serious damage is rare, and the combatants go back to being best of friends as soon as they cool off)

I accept what Stacey says about the dogs' relationships with each other maybe lessening their relationship with humans, but can't comment on it from personal experience, as I've always lived in a multi-dog home, often with a pup or litter coming along when another puppy is less than a year old. I suppose it depends on what you want. If I wanted absolute, total devotion from my dog, I'd probably only have one. But for me, while my relationship with each dog is all that I could want, I acccept that they are dogs, and as such they also enjoy the company of their own kind, and that doggy company is going to be important to them.
- By philippa [gb] Date 13.07.02 07:27 UTC
Hi Fred, I have been very lucky and have never had any trouble keeping bitches together, but I had a very easy going breed. I think it is generally accepted that a dog and a bitch live more easily together than two bitches.
- By Fred2002 [gb] Date 13.07.02 08:08 UTC
Hi,

thank you very much for your good advice, I really appreciate it!

We will be able to work from home for the next six months or so and it might be a good period of time to educate the second dog (we will be around 24/7). Hopefully we will be able to keep our first bitch clean (the point Stacey made).
It seems that the possibility that a bitch will get on with a dog is greater than with a second bitch - which doesn't mean that two bitches don't get on.... ... hmm... also, the point about 'devotion' we haven't thought about. I will have to discuss both concerns with my wife.

Thank you so much for your comments!

Fred
- By philippa [gb] Date 13.07.02 08:24 UTC
Hi again Fred, You are most welcome, I hope you find exactly the sort of dog you want in the future. Its so nice to meet somone who is planning well ahead, for a change!
- By eoghania [de] Date 14.07.02 07:57 UTC
Fred,
I've had bitches that got along without too much trouble. In fact, the two I have now are about 2 years apart in age and best buddies.
Something I have noticed is that other than just personality conflicts, the greatest instigator of trouble tends to be food issues (resting areas might be a second issue to consider).
I've taken to feeding mine with their backs to each other and calling the faster eater out of the "dining" area to relieve the pressure on the slower eater. She now leaves on her own when she's done. So less stress for both of them.

About a month ago, they had a rare serious set-to over my putting a plate down in the livingroom for them to clean off. I yelled, they separated, plate was removed, and both got sent into exile (beds). No more problems. :D

Good luck with whatever you decide to do.
toodles :cool:
- By Kash [gb] Date 14.07.02 09:15 UTC
Hi Fred- the 'devotion' point I made- I don't think this matters in your case since you're not getting two of the same age at the same time iof you follow me- to go out and buy two puppies from say the same litter then they would probably bonded more with each other but since you already have one then the oldest will always be totaly devoted to you the second will probably like you both equally:) Hope this helps too;) as for the training part- don't get me wrong it wasn't the house training or anything but more the 'recall' etc when out- just basic training really- my friend now walks them seperately for a while to reinstall the training with the oldest on a one to one basis. Having two she is getting there I think it all depends on how much work you're prepared to put in really:)

Stacey x x x
- By Brainless [gb] Date 13.07.02 13:13 UTC
I have four bitches, and others that come to visit and have never had a problem, as I don't allow them to overstep the mark with each other.

I think it does help to have two or three years agae gap as then it is fairly clear cut to the pup that she is lower in rank to the adult. If you get a second pup before the first is fully sure of her place in the world, and not grown up, if the new one is more puchy/confident there may be issues.

sadly rarely you will have two of the same sex nefver get on once they had a real falling out. the dogs must see you as the top dog!
- By Fred2002 [gb] Date 15.07.02 10:31 UTC
Thanks once again for all the help! I have discussed everything with my wife and we decided to look for a second Great Dane bitch now (posted a note on the "searching board" .. ;)

Cheers,

Fred
- By Kerioak Date 15.07.02 10:43 UTC
Hi Fred

Why not look for an older bitch so there will be a few years between them - this should also have the benefit that they won't both get old together and with any luck you can get a new pup when your current pup is middle aged.

Don't mean to be morbid but it is another way to look at your situation

Christine
- By Lois_vp [gb] Date 05.08.02 09:27 UTC
Hi Fred -at the risk of overloading you with advice, I just wanted to say that the most difficult thing I have had to get used to since we got our second dog (we have, for many years, only kept one dog at a time) is trying to give equal love and attention to both. It tears at my heartstrings to see the look on my older dogs face when I am doing something with the pup. He doesn't muscle in or anything, just sits there trying to work out why suddenly I'm not solely focussed on him, as I have been for the last five years. I'm sure though that, in time, we'll all get used to the situation and these feelings of guilt will eventually disappear.
Best of luck with your search for No.2
Joyce
- By aoife [gb] Date 26.07.02 22:02 UTC
hi fred,
is this your first great dane,how much do you know of the breed in general, have you seeked the advice of the breeder,many people make the mistake of thinking that there first puppy is such a joy, you say your bitch is only eight months old you have not had the pleasure of the teenage years yet,all dogs whatever there breed go through changes as do children.Ifeel for you to get another great dane now would end in disaster, please think very carefully, talk to a experienced breeder.so many dogs end up in rescue because we lack the knoledge and education in understanding dogs.to have two young great danes i can assure you will be a handfull, great danes do not mature mentally until nearly three years of age.if your bitch has a good temprement, when she matures she will teach the puppy her good points.please think very carefully. with very good wishes tina
- By cockercrazy [gb] Date 02.08.02 09:12 UTC
Hello there

I have 5 bitches ages ranging from 5 years down to 5 months and I've never had a problem with them all being together. I have also found no problems around season times either.
- By Briarlow [gb] Date 03.08.02 18:30 UTC
I did have 4 bitches but now I have 3. Yes I know Lana has gone through a lot lately but there was problems before all of the traumas. Her grandmother is nearly 9 and Lana nearly 2 and they absolutely HATE each other. They are extremely alike in character. Very active, very loving and extremely intelligent. At first I thought let them try and sort out between them who was going to be top dog, but it was clear early on that neither of them would be able to come to an agreement on this.

Luckily I have a great mum and dad and Lana is now living with them. I brought Lydia the other day and Lana was there wagging her tail and wanting to say hello but Lydia just dived straight in there. They do listen when I tell them no, but I don't think I will ever be able to have them in the same house. I think that Lana may have pushed her luck a little as a puppy and Lydia's never forgotten it.

Maybe in a couple of years when Lana's 4 and Lydia 11 I might be able to have some peace, I can live in hope any way!!
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