Could anyone PM me with a nice dark red ridgeback stud dog. i have looked on this site but thought that someone might know of one not on here.

Any info would be brilliant.

Thanks

Helen

The thing is Helen the stud dog has to be chosen more on his conformation not just his colouring, if he compliments your bitch & her construction, that the pedigrees tie up on their positive attributes, that there are no cases of dermoid sinus in each side of the pedigree.    I could recommend 2 nice dogs but both are in Scotland, are you prepared to travel for the right stud and not just because he is dark red & on your doorstep?

Well Helen, although I don't own Ridgebacks I have a friend who has had them for almost 20 years and had some very nice dogs -all male - I hasten to add so I know probably something about the breed enough to know you need to check for dermoid sinus.

I cannot see anywhere I was being patronising, your post was very scant and uninformative, it sounded like someone who just wanted to use a dog solely on how dark red he was regardless of any other attributes/faults he may have.   I basically answered that there were other contributing factors than the colour of a dog.    

Have you discussed this with your bitch's breeder yet?  They should be able to offer you a great deal of guidance.

Please don't assume things and patronise me.

I am v.aware of choosing the right mate and the health concerns. In fact i am researching my bitch's pedigree back to the 5th gen looking for preciesley the things that you have mentioned. :-)
She is only 7 months old and i am going to show her before i decide whether to breed or not. At the moment she lookes a very nice specimen but obviously i would like some breed judges to concur with me on that point first. :D

By asking about a stud dog now i am starting my research and i am most definatley looking for the best i can to suit her and her pedigree.

Yes i am prepared to travel for the right dog, i had 721 mile round trip to get the bitch! If it was merely a case of using the nearest dark red Ridgeback dog i would use my own as he is both a dark colour and a dog! ;)

The bitchs breeder is not knowledgeable inthe slightist and we gave her advice as to the rearing of the pups. However i am in contact with the breeder of her father and they are the top breeders in the country. (please don't judge the quality of my bitch by the fact her breeders were uninformed, even 'pet' people and money-makers can have nice stock!!)

I do however understand that i did not give much info in the OP but i was hoping for some suggestions that i could then shortlist from factors such as conformation etc.( if you read any of my other post you will see i love asking questions and looking at different dogs,ideas etc!:D) As i did say, i have looked at the dogs advertised on this site and they don't match with my bitch. :-(

Thank you for your concern and i know you are trying to help by raising issues but please don't jump to conclusions. :-) I have found from reading other posts that SOME people (and i stress not ALL) are very quick to jump on new breeders and bombard them with questions as to their suitablity to even consider a litter. :-(

Whilst i IN NO WAY think that any tom, dick or harry can or should breed, surely they have taken a step in the right direction by posting? I do sometimes question the motives of people putting off breeders.... We suffered it ourselves awhile ago with a different breed ( my boyfriends, before you think we chop and change) the man told us we'd never find homes for pups and would exhaust demand with our planned 1 litter. Only to find out he meant exhaust HIS demand as he was breeding 10 litters a year!!! :rolleyes:

Thank you for your concern, i know you have the best intrests of the dogs at heart. :-) :-)

I would wait until you get your girl out at shows, that's the best place to see a possible stud and their progeny - also a lot can change in two years. I don't think you can blame Christine for her post - your original one was not very informative :)

what a exellent post helen.
i think you should start looking now,then WHEN you get to the shows you can have a look at the dogs you liked the sound of & would compliment your bitch on paper.

i know nothing about RRs,but i wish you alot of luck with finding a lovely hubby for your bitch.

An inexperienced person in a new breed with a puppy should start looking for a stud now ??  Am I reading this correctly... I must not be on the same planet as I disagree :-D I personally would use that time to learn about the breed.

shes starting to research it now. which is exactly what half of you bang on about all the time,some people cant do right for doing wrong unless youve been in the game for 100+ years !

>some people cant do right for doing wrong<

Hmmm maybe if you look at it in a black and white way...  there isn't just one straight forward way to go and starting off in and breed and also thinking about breeding is a big thing. 

Looking a pedigrees of studs means absolutely nothing  if you do have a clue about a breed. You won't hear me telling people to go search about a studs pedigree before telling then to show the dog and make some freinds withn the breed , become a member of the breed club..

I think it is collectively learning you have to do before even thinking about a stud. !!

Pedigrees to me go hand and hand with Type I would personally never pick a dog, puppy or stud based on a pedigree.  You have to understand " type" and to do that you have to learn about the breed and sit at the ring side. IMHO. Unless it is a working dog.

I never get my head around people saying oh my dog has a super pedigree.. it may well do but you don't show a pedigree and if it has terrible shoulders errr their snookered  !!!!

I personally have no problem with the OP whatsoever , she obviously wants to learn and good on her.  I do have a problem when people think other posters should only post based on the question and not give an ethicial opinion. Being a responsible breeder takes a whole lot more including encouraging it in others IMHO.

I don't think anyone has patronised you but your request on a message board for a possible mate is not generally the action of someone who already knows the correct way of going about it.  It's the needle in a haystack method.  Also the only way I would utilise the Champdog pages would be use the advanced search facility to thow up pedigrees of dogs containing the lines I had already researched as being possibles. If you prefer not to have this sort of information I would suggest you stick with asking the stud dog owners advise which would be the most logical course anyway.

Or equally if you cant help a OP perhaps dont answer at all?

Guidance as to the best way to search for the ideal stud is helping! ;)

Where was anyone being patronising?  Have I missed something?  Everyone's given you good advice and it's good that you are looking into things early on and not rushing into it.

Do you mean help as in what is wanted or help as in what is needed? :)

Maybe i'm being over sensitive about being patronised sorry if i offened anyone :-(

Isabel, again you are jumping to conclusions and assuming that asking on here is the ONLY (i'm using capitals for emphasis as i don't know how to do bold. i'm not shouting! :-) ) way i am trying to find/research a stud dog. I am the first to admit that i'm new to show breeding dogs but i have years of experience with breeding horses and looking on the internet and asking around is a v.normal way to look for a stallion.

Re searching champdogs for pedigree lines, i don't know if you are familiar with RR but there are only 5 stud dogs listed. not much to search there, quickist way is to look at each dog. (plus i like looking at RR's and it's a good excuse!)

thanks michelle i like to think i'm trying to do my best for my bitch and my breed. I will look around at shows but as there are so few breed classes for RR and i'm miles from anywhere, where any few ridgebacks entered at shows aren't of the highest quality (generally) i don't have much to go on until next year.

i thought that someone on here may know of a paticularly good dog that i could research thats all. Don't you like to have some fantasy mating that keeps you warm in the cold winter evening? ( keep it clean, i mean dogs!!! :D )

Still, any ideas??!!

do you get Dog world or our dogs?,reading the reports & breed notes might be away with familarising yourself with the successful dogs at the moment,then you can try reasearching into that line?& see if the lines are compatitble with your bitch.?
Are you going to go to crufts to watch? you should be able to get a good idea of some of the best dogs in the country & be able to follow it up with their owners!

I think I have a pretty decent bitch & dog and I haven't been to Crufts in the past 2 years (Out of choice!), so not everyone goes to Crufts!

But i TAKE it that there are nice dogs been shown at crufts????????????????

so she can see what lines she likes the look of?

im really glad im not in "breed", WHAT a closed shop it seems to be!!!!!!

Sometimes!!!!  ;)  ;)  ;)

Hi Helen, well done for going about things seemingly in the right way.  I do think that attending championship shows is the way forwards.  As your bitch is 7 months, why not start to show her at champ shows?  This is what most people would do.  After all, don't you think there's a reason that the Open Dog class is on right before Puppy Bitch, wink wink?   (Picture all those bitch puppy owners eyeing up the totty!!)

yes michelle we get Dog World every week but RR's seem under-represented and not every week has breed notes (last week for example) but get where yuo're going and thanks. :-)

123 She is entered in her first open in Jan and we'll take it from there. although it's an AV class it's under a ridgeback judge so should get some idea. from there we go on to champ shows gulp!!  LOL about schedule planning!

would love to go to crufts, don't know if we will yet, depends on OH (why does it always have to depend on OH??!! :-( ) But he might have mares to foal and trips to birmingham miles away in case of a surprise :-0

Hopefully i can, might go without him and leave kids with him too!!! Ha Ha Ha!!

the train can take you right too the nec!!! & lots of coaches pick up from services on the mway!!!! Go by yourself so your OH cant stop you shopping!!!!! ;)

:D;D:D  he's worse, he'd come back with a new DOG!!

>yes michelle we get Dog World every week but RR's seem under-represented

It's a rule from January this year that all judges HAVE to write a show report so if you keep checking all the shows you will certainly find show reports for Ridgebacks. :)

If the bitch's breeder is no help, what about the sire's owner?

I haven't assumed anything I asked you if you had taken the first logical step in your quest. Whether you posted your request on this message board first, middle or last in your quest it is not the actions of someone who has got anywhere far along the road of finding out about whether or how to find a stud.  I say whether because again it is not the actions of someone who has already immersed themselves in the show scene.  Despite all that I would not, and did not, critisise you over that but merely asked if you had spoken to your bitches breeder before you went off on one :)  This is always the first recommended action.  Now as it turns out you feel your breeder is not suitable to serve that role, well fine you have the stud dog owner, who, despite their willingness to allow their dog to serve inexperienced/irresponsible breeders bitches ;) looks like they will fullfull the need for an experienced eye over your bitch and her pedigree.
By all means look at as many pedigrees as you can but don't forget you haven't found out what you should be looking for yet.
You say your post is not the ONLY route you have taken but I haven't seen you say what else you have done so far so at the risk of getting snapped at again :)  I would suggest you continue with your plans to show to first establish whether all this research is going to be necessary, then gather all your health screening results, then if showing has not introduced you to even better mentors seek advise from the stud dog owners.  In a couple of years time when you look back I think you will see as clearly as anyone else how futile it is to cast a net into t'interweb in the search for the best mate for your bitch.

Not snapping but i said stud dog BREEDER not owner. I make the point because there is an issue around that and don't want to tarnish name of v.helpful and respected breeder.

thanks isabel, i know you are being helpful. just maybe i'm over-sensitive when it comes to it :D I'm used to being the experienced one people ask for advice (with horses and breeding) not vica versa!! 
As to other options, am looking in dog world at results, speaking to above breeder and using all knowledge gleaned to apply to pedigree. I am used to researching equine pedigrees and looking for 'nicks' etc and line breeding.

Thanks again, i'm afraid i have to go home now, so until the next time 

Bye bye!!

helen

Be patient, once you start showing and mixing with lots of people in the breed the information flying at you will increase by hugh volumes and yet you will find it actually helps to narrow down your choices to something much more managable then roaming the internet :)

Ditto Isabel :-D

Hi Helen, if you start showing your bitch over the year or so you show her before she can be mated anyway you will see nice dogs in the ring. These are the dogs and breeders who could help you make your choice. This is of course if your bitch is good enough at the time to be bred from.

The only way I would consider f9nding a stud dog of my breed would be by joining the breed club therby having access to the clubs annuals/jurnals.  I woudl thn buy at least 10 years back issues and look at the breeder/stud owners adverts.  This way you will see what parti ular males prodcue and how various lines have developed. 

You then attend shows and do current research in the same way, and then by the time your bitch is old enough in antoher two years you will have an idea of where u want to go and based on your findings have a shoirtlist of potential dogs you might want to use.

Then you can check out their helath res8ults and approach them to see if your bitch is aceptable to them, perhaps confering wity more knowledgeable breeders you have gotten to know in the mantime.

Really looking for advertised dogs is not the way to go, as most don't need to advertise, and the adverts are only there to alert the owners who may already be thinking of that dog t9 their availability and results.

Hello Helen I may be able to offer advice on your request. As you will know there is a lot to look into regarding suitable dogs if your bitch turns out good to breed from. Obviously she will have to conform to breed standard and have a good hip score, free from sinus in her lines...I have a young bitch too which eventually I would like to breed from also and I have in mind the dog I would like to use. Though the more she grows and develops I don't think he will be right for her as you only want the best for your bitch.(not that they are gauranteed to turn out nice!!!). I know of a lovely boy who produces fantastic litters so far...and are doing very well in the ring.Curious to what her pedigree is also if your bitch is really dark perhaps a very dark sire may not be the best way forward.(just a suggestion).If you want more info let me know.Regards! ps reputable breeders won't  consider her until at least 2 Years old.Hope this drivel helps!

If you researched her  pedigree and the breed before buying her then wouldnt you have an idea of the lines youd want to work with,  at 6 months she has lots to do yet before you might consider her good enough sound enough to breed from take the 18 months you have before breeding age to learn what lines click, asking for a stud dog on a forum  when the bitch is  so young isnt a  great start, most know lines, know breeders etc the good and bad before even thinking of having a litter, sort of an apprenticeship. watch and learn.

Well you have plenty of time to look around. The first thing is to realise where your bitch can be inproved upon, be as objective as you can and make a note of these points - also make a note of where she really excells. Go to a few shows with a decent size entry, watch the judging of dogs and bitches and make a note of which RR you like, and in the males which excell where your bitch fails. It may be that you find you like the progemny of one particular dog, or that one kennel or line are producing the type you like and have the virtues you need. If the sire of your bitch is from a leading kennel and you like their stuff then I would suggest you mate into that line, to a dog that can address your bitch's failings. And think about temperament - it can be a problem in RR as discussed on another thread. I would just say that if your aim is to breed good dogs that will win I wouldn't bother about what colour they are, as long as they comply to the standard. Get the dog right then start to breed for the colour you most like.

Hello again, just looking back at your posts and am concerned that the "Top Breeders" in the country would stud their dog to breeders who were clueless and needed help on rearing a litter??I know most of the "top Breeders" in the country being Mangwe,Nyassa,Gunthwaite and Diamondridge(in my opinion) and I know they would never do this and offer advice and checks on the litter for sinus etc..Just a wee bit confused thats all.Regards( I am not trying to nit pick by the way)

Helen has pointed out that she was referring to the breeder of the stud dog as a top breeder not the current owners who conducted the mating.

Thanks Isabel! :-)

Not one of the breeders listed but v.well known.

as for people saying that it's too early to tell about my bitch's suitablity for breeding and advising to spend the time between now and breeding age to research,  Thats what i'm doing on here!!!!!!
I didn't know it was going to cause such a reaction!

As for colour, she isn't paticularlly dark (her mother was liver-nosed) but i would like a dark dog toi use on her. Before anyone starts, i'm not going to choose him by his colour, but if there were 2 dogs that fufilled criteria as above theni would use darkest dog. Just personal preference (we are still allowed to have personal preferences aren't we??!!)

I think that the number of posts that this has generated and the feelings aroused are quite amusing as we all seem to be in agreement!!!! Do the best research you can, to find the best dog to complement a successful show bitch, to produce the best, most healthy pups that you can. Am i right??!! ;)

As for feelings, i hope that no-one has been offened by my posts, i wouldn't want to fall out with anyone. i love champdogs and i am totally addicted and on the verge of getting the sack for spending more time on here than working!! :D But i think really you all know that i want to do the best i can but my OP left a bit to be desired as far as info. read my other posts and you'll see that  im not a money-maker and i love my dogs

Helen

>Do the best research you can, to find the best dog to complement a successful show bitch, to produce the best, most healthy pups that you can. Am i right??!! ;-)<

Yip got it in one Helen. Just as well everyone didnt follow Michelle's advice ;-)

Good luck.

thank you very much,what ADVICE was that then?

personal attacks are against TOS i believe!!!!!

Michelle I think if you reread my post I was having a bit of fun see the use of ;-)

my post was a bit of tougue in cheek to your post here

>Or equally if you cant help a OP perhaps dont answer at all?<  

THe original post ask for dark coloured studs. Now if we had taken your advice and not posted she would not have had the advice she has had. Would she ;-)

You are 100% correct about personal attacks being against terms of service.  Rightly so if you see one and I mean one not a misinterpretation of a post I would certainly suggest you contact them right away :-)

i read it as sarcastic & patronising, you MAY not have meant it like that...;) ,still first impressions & all that.

ive given i OP two bits of advice,that is to read the breed notes & to go to crufts. As a means to begin with research. God what TERRIBLE ADVICE ,strike me down!!!!!!
i dont know why half of you even come onto this site,as its revenue is generated by BREEDERS advertising their STUD DOGS & litters.

I don't think they are particularly bad bits of advise they just miss out the huge step before hand of finding out what the heck you are supposed to be looking for from the ringside or in the dog press results other than just a dog you (as a novice) like the look of or one that has been winning a lot, again not a great way to pick a stud just in itself.   Anyone who went straight to your point B, in my opinion, would be taking the wrong course of action.

well thats where the reasearch comes in,hopefully with the guidence of the friend shes made in the breeder of the stud dog.

> dont know why half of you even come onto this site,as its revenue is generated by BREEDERS advertising their STUD DOGS & litters.<

I cant comment on that as I don't know this to be true.

Perhaps the half you mention take time to promote ethical breeding. The half I know do. ;-)

I don't think anyone has had any issue at all with the OP, I certainly have not , if anything try to give sound advice. I can't understand for the life of me why you have gotten yourself so mad. Maybe you should have let the original poster answer her replies herself or leave the moderating of the post to Admin ;-)

You have to learn to take  criticism on your posts Michelle if you give it out just like everyone else does. :-)

this sites HOMEPAGE is primarily for the guided search facilty which enables breeders/owners etc to create a mini website,which i think is a great idea.
the advertising allows (i presume) this forum to exist.

im not moderating,im supporting the OP,

& im not mad thankyou

I took it from reading the posts that the sire is FROM a top kennel but no longer owned by them :)

oops sorry Isabel - we must have been typing at the same time!

Oh! It happens all the time.  Why do we Brits appologise when we've not done anything wrong? :D

because if we didn't we wouldn't be British :)